Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 690741)

I told you that comforting influence was withdrawn because comforting influence was withdrawn. Comforting influence is comforting influence. It was influence that comforts. The Spirit comforts, but the Spirit was not withdrawn. I-N-F-L-U-E-N-C-E. He stopped feeling comforted. No more.

Similarly, you can stand beside someone and influence them or even cease influencing them. And, no, I am not saying The Spirit was not in Christ but instead beside Him. It was always in Him. No portion of deity was removed because that was impossible to occur.



Comforting influence is comforting influence. It's no biggie to understand. Let me put it this way. The influence of comfort was withdrawn.



It neither cannot look this way nor be this way, if I said He was always God mannifest in flesh. No PORTION of deity could therefore leave Jesus nor be withdrawn. Only INFLUENCE of Deity.



No it doesn't look like this.



Nothing abandoned Him. He FELT abandoned.



The comforting influence was --- ahhhh... comforting influence.

You're welcome.

Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 690746)

Similarly, does the bible use the term "spiritual death"? Why would you use that term. What about "spiritual resurrection"? Does the bible use that term? What scriptures would you use if the bible does not have that phrase?

Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 690746)

I thought everyone knew what comforting influence means.

Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 690753)

I would do the same because it is sensible and reasonable. Which was MY original point to Bro Burk from which you got the idea. You must have missed the fact that what you tried to show is what I tried showing to Bro Burk. See?

Spiritual death is a valid term whether it's in the bible or not. The bible relates the synonymous concept. Which is exactly what I was showing your buddy when he asked me about scripture showing Christ died spiritually.

Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 690753)

I was showing your buddy

Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 690510)

Praxeas and tkburk,

I believe sin causes spiritual death. And to say He became sin for us, is to say he experienced the separation from God that sin causes.

Do you not believe sin separates us from our God?

Isaiah 59:2 KJV But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

Do you not believe he took our sins and experienced this separation from God?

Do you not believe separation from God is spiritual death?

Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 690741)

I told you that comforting influence was withdrawn because comforting influence was withdrawn. Comforting influence is comforting influence. It was influence that comforts. The Spirit comforts, but the Spirit was not withdrawn. I-N-F-L-U-E-N-C-E. He stopped feeling comforted. No more.

Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 690765)

The suffering on the cross was involved when Jesus cried about forsakenness. He felt what we feel in spiritual death's state of the sinner. He was not pretending. To say He pretended is to diminish the full brunt of the cross. If He felt pressured in the Garden when praying with sweat of blood, it was nothing compared to what He felt the moment He uttered this cry just before His death. He felt the very same thing a sinner feels who is lost and in utter depravity knowing such a person has no God. But God was within Him fully as ever.

Praise God!

Bro Burk, do you feel sin separates us from God?

Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 690768)

What is that all about?

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 690772)

Yeah exactly.