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Yeah, I know it's kind of wild. I wouldn't consider the Green party to be a legitimate party, to be honest with you. I don't consider the Libertarians to be one either. We have established ourselves as being pretty much a two party country, the Democrats and the Republicans. If one of the other "parties" can gain enough seats in Congress and the Senate, then I could see giving them a shot at running the Whitehouse.

As for McCain's comments, I got the context in which he made them. He was basically saying the troops there would be much like those in Japan, Germany, and elsewhere in the world. They would be more of a deterrent than an occupying force. He hasn't brought forth a plan to make that transition into being a deterrent. Right now they qualify more as occupiers than a deterrent. In fact, they look more like the policeman of a Civil War than anything else, in my opinion. This stopped being about WMDs a long time ago.

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I am sure this is something the Democratic Party, along with the Secret Service or whatever agency the government uses to check into the background of candidates, has already checked into.

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Review what is going on in Iraq now. we are training more and more Iraqi forces. they are beginning to launch their own operations.

clearly the policy that McCain has adovcated is working.

McCain is the right guy to get us out of Iraq at the right time, in the right way. Obama simply wants to act french and give up and leave. even if he wont be alllowed to do what he wants, do you really want a guy who thinks giving up is the right policy?

in my mind thats crazy.

I agree with getting rid of income tax. i like the idea of a national sales tax...but we would have to have an amendment to the constitution that eliminates an income tax that goes along with it or we would eventually get both an income tax and a sales tax!


You are also right about the HMOs in addition to being about profits, HMOs go too far in seperating the patient from the cost of medicine. this is the number one cause of out of control inflation in healthcare. guess who came up with the idea of the HMO? RED Ted Kennedy in the early 1970's. (dems are bad)

said the right wing nut.....

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Renda, Obama is as American as you and I.

It is true his father was not an American citizen. However, his 18 year old mother was a natural born American. Obama was born in an American Territory and lived with his mother all of his life. Never at any time did he live with his father outside of the USA.

these things going around about him being a muslim and not being a natural born citizen are twists on reality and distract from the real issues.

Obama is wrong for America but he is an American.

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Ferd, we've been training them for what, almost 6 years now? It's time for them to grab the bull by the horns and stand or fall on their own. As long as we are willing to be their crutch, their crutch is what we will be.

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echoing the right wing nut, so true, dems bad, lol

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there you go, eventually the crutch is gone, stand up and fight for yourselves

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Rico, training isnt just a matter of a few classes in how to shoot a gun.

that army has to grow and mature. leaders need to be found and trained at every level. that only happens with experience.

its true, we have been working for 6 years. it is only now beginning to pay off. but we ARE NOW seeing success. violence is way down . former terrorist strong holds are becoming peaceful. if we short circut the process, Iraq will be a killing field and hundreds of thousands will die, and those we are building trust with will turn on us even more than before.

finishing this job, building a stable democratic Iraq is a long term benifit to America. Not doing so is both a short term and long term hazzard to America.

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Ferd, they had an army prior to our invading their country. They already know how to run one.

From what I have read, one of the main reasons why these terrorist groups are in Iraq in the first place is because we are there. Our presence there has attracted them. From what I read, the Sunnis and the Shiites don't want to have anything to do with Al-Queida, because they are foreigners, mainly from Iran. You talk about the Iraqis turning on us. How long do you think it will be before they get sick of dealing with violence caused by our presence in their country?

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ok rico, blame america for it all, the vast majority of violence in that country is not sectarian it is the foreigners, the successes we are having now in quelling some of it are a result of the sunnis and shiites who are sick of the killing, cooperating with us to suppress the terrorists , local and foreign, dt

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Foreigners who are there to attack us, DT, not the Iraqis. Foreigners who wouldn't be there if we weren't there. You are right that the Sunnis and Shiites are sick of their people being killed. What they are sick of is their people being killed because our presence there gave these nutjobs the excuse they needed to come into their country. We are fighting a war with Al-Queida, on Iraqi soil. Al-Queida is not in Iraq to take over Iraq. They are there to fight us. It's true that the Sunnis and Shiites have been killing each other for centuries. No doubt they will go back to doing that as soon as we are gone. It will be a problem for the Iraqi government to deal with it, as it should be.

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ok rico, i dont want to argue with you, but i dont agree with your summation, the terrorist would be there at least some of them even if we left, the iranians are trying to undermine the new govt thru subterfuge, using the terrorists, some of them iraninan military as a proxy, god help us, dt

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Didn't realize we were arguing, DT. One question for you. How many terrorist groups did we find there when we invaded Iraq?

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let me ask you this, my friend, would you stick around if the us military was coming, i wouldnt, would you come back to cause trouble, yes, zarquawi, the head of alqueda in iraq, the one with one leg that we killed was there before we invaded, that is documented, not sure about the rest, dt

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What was he doing to undermine the government of Iraq? You see what I am getting at? Our being there has empowered these people to come out of the woodwork. Al-Queida is stronger now than it was before we invaded Iraq. Our whole purpose for going there was to eliminate the threat of WMDs Saddam Hussein supposedly had. The intelligence was obviously flawed. We toppled his government, set up a new one, got caught in the middle of a civil war between Sunnis and Shiites, and, in this whole process, managed to find ourselves fighting Al-Queida more than we ever did prior to this invasion. Where does it end, DT? You tell me. At what point do we say enough is enough with meddling in Middle Eastern affairs? The whole pre-emptive strike approach has only served to weaken the United States, not make it stronger.

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True, Mc Cain is no Regan, but then Obama is no Kennedy. It sickens me that Obama and his wife are being compared to John and Jackie Kennedy. For starters Jackie did not say horrible things about America, yet Michelle had the nerve to say for the first time in her life she was "proud." Obama can't even get his facts straight. How could he not know the his pastor of over 20 years had preached a horrific sermon. Obama said he wasn't present for that sermon, but come on how could he not know? I know that when I have missed a service and the preaching was awesome, I heard about it. Obama is nothing but a liar and he uses his charm to get away from it.

Obama can't even name all the 50 states in America. LOL!!! All I know that there is something about Obama that I do not trust. So many are blinded by his charm among other things. I'll admit I am not thrilled about Mc Cain but like a pastor said, "vote for the lesser evil." I DO NOT want Osama, oops Obama as president. For all we know Obama can be the Anti-Christ.

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i dont know rico, i hope it will end soon, but i think we should finish our job, and get out, my brother who was there this time last year, and a marine from my ss class, think the same thing, god bless them, dt

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agreed,. dt

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You don't seriously think that any politician in Washington comes back to their home state every Sunday to listen to their pastor preach, do you? In fact, I would venture to say that Obama missed that sermon and a whole lot of others.

As for the comment his wife made, she already explained what she meant. She was talking about being proud of the fact that so many Americans were embracing her husband's candidacy even though he's black. This country's history with racism and slavery is definitely something to be embarassed over. I think she honestly didn't think her husband would have a shot at the Whitehouse

See how you have fallen into this ridiculous "Osama" way of thinking? It's foolishness, Brother, and has no place in this election. Even if Obama is the anti-Christ (another absurdity being circulated among Christians), there would be nothing you could do to stop him.

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the Iraqis dont want us out. yes they had an army that was aweful and most of the officer corps had to be dismissed because they were Baathists.

they had to be rebuilt from the ground up.

The fact is, in the last few months, we are beginning to see political cooperation between the various factions in Iraq.

and lets be clear about this, if we were not fighting these terrorists in Iraq, we would be dealing with them in the streets of America.

Please note, there has not been a single successfull attack on America since 9/11. there have been many attempts but due to our presence in the Middle East, we have foiled them all.

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The job is never gonna be done there, DT. We are not going to bring peace and stability to the Middle East, no matter how hard we try. These people have been going at it for thousands of years, Brother. Thousands of years, Brother. The conflicts are not going to end because the mighty USA has finally found a way to stick its big nose into the mix. First it was the WMDs, then a civil conflict, now Al-Queida. What's next?

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I tell you what I dont trust about obama. I dont trust the fact that he clearly and passionately articulates positions equal to the failures of the past, fully expecting them to work now!

He can be trusted to live to his word. that is why I dont trust him. I am afraid he will do what he has said he will do!

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Pure speculation.

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The "job" is actually being done now.

we are very close to an end of this thing. the only thing holding us back are the democrats who adocate yanking defeat from the jaws of victory.

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and what you are doing isnt?


tell me Rico, where would those terrorist bent on killing Americans go if not America?

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ok rico, i told you i dont agree with you, i think we can get it done, with support and patience, but it makes it harder for our guys to hear people back home act like they are criminals, when they are just doing there jobs, dt

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Ferd, it's a fact that we are fighting Al-Queida in Iraq. It is pure speculation on your part to say we'd be fighting them here otherwise. You can no more predict what the past would have been than you can predict what the future will be.

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that is a scary thought, lol

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Who is acting like our troops are criminals, DT? The only soldiers that have faced any charges are those who actually have done something they shouldn't have while being there. Our soldiers still have to follow the rules of engagement, don't they?

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We aren't close to the end of this thing. We are close to the beginning of whatever the next excuse for us staying there is going to be. You've already brought it up yourself; they will stay there as a deterrent.

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rico, there are people everywhere all the time acting like our troops are baby killers, and calling them murderers,a nd yes there are some who have done wrong and are being punished or will be, but there are even congressman and senators that have stated right out falsehoods, like dick turban durbin and John Mertha, all this is well known, including Dennis the Menace Cocinich, calling our troops baby killers, the list could go on, we need to support our boys and not tie there hands, of course they need to keep the rules of engagement, but let them do it, with our support and not curse, dt

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Hey rico, i have a light colonel that sits across the hall from me, he just got back from a year deployment, he said that our boys feel bad when people talk about them and there efforts in ignorance of even what is happening, and they dont like being politicized by the left, dt

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Of course we need to support our troops. It isn't their fault they are over there in the first place. In fact, I think we need to do more to support our veterans in general.

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DT is absolutly right!
the list of Democrat senators and congressmen/women who have said our troops are baby killers is pretty long.

that idiot John "I surrender" Murtha has been a leader on that front too!

what did John Kerry say? they were dumb and ignorant?

Rico, as a practical joke, some of my buddies at work, signed me up for a news letter from Democrats.com. I get 3 or 4 emails a week that contenually call our troops murderers and baby killers.

we have seen posters here regurgitate the lie that Americans have "murdered a hundred thousand innocent women and children in Iraq.


Please Rico. dont say things like this. its patently false.

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They don't like being politicized by the left, but are totally comfortable with being pawns for the right? This isn't an issue of left vs right, DT.

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I didn't say anything, other than charges have been brought up against soldiers for breaking the rules. The other part was a question. A question is a question. How can a question be a lie?

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Speaking of politics,

The New York Post is reporting that NBC's Tim Russert died today of a heart attack.

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Really? Wow! I haven't checked at Yahoo for my news yet.

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Obama has stated from the beginning that he wanted to withdraw COMBAT forces in a responsible manner-- his earliest estimate was 17 months. Hillary Clinton was the one that wanted a "3 month" withdrawal of ALL American troops from Iraq.

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There is a lot of truth to this statement. There will only be peace over there until the IRAQI's want it bad enough. Our prescence is helping to foster that peace, but honestly, that cooperation is relunctant at best.

Iraqi's don't want us "occupying" their country. But we are not leaving until their country is better than how we found it, and they realize that.

Iraq will prove to be a great investment for America's interests, in a few ways, just wait and see.