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Coonskinner 05-26-2007 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ILG (Post 129080)
That is because those who, in your words, "declare the whole counsel of God" cast those into hell who are any different than they are. Who wants to fellowship with that? And who is really "breaking fellowship"?

Nobody but Jesus has the power to cast anyone into hell.

There is, however, a hell, and the Bible makes that plain.

Folks who don't obey the Lord are going there.

As for who is breaking fellowship, who is leaving whom?

I'm still what I always have been; my pastor and my wife's former pastor have both changed and now believe and preach radically different doctrine than they used to...it's pretty much a no-brainer as to who changed and who left.

Nice try.

Rhymis 05-26-2007 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheltiedad (Post 129110)
Methinks it's sad that anyone cares what other people watch on TV or if they watch it at all. :)

Right, just like you shouldn't care what other people post on the forum or if they post at all. :bubble

Jekyll 05-26-2007 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 127625)
Love of money is the root of all evil ... it happens in the Apostolic church ... out of it ... with dyed in the wool Apostolics ... and ex-Apostolics ...

We know the stories of money-hungry self-professed Christians on both sides ....

I cant swallow prosperity preaching at all ... but in happens in Apostolic churches also ... I've heard it w/ my own ears .....

As for the charge against singers and musicians that leave .... to cash in ... yes there are some that have seeing a broader cash revenue ... but again ... I've seen Apostolics that will hawk their CD's at a prayer service ....

One of the problems that the Apostolic church has had is that some pastors do not:

1. Understand the exorbitant costs it takes to produce a quality CD recording ... it's in the thousands of dollars ....

They then expect this singer or musician to sell their CD' to a small insular market. Some shun those that minister at "non-apostolic" venues ....

2. Then you have pastors who literally don't even see it as a ministry on the par w/ preaching or teaching and so it's marginalized ..... Many pastors till this day think it's crazy to have salaried musicians .... and those that do are often grossly underpaid based on the hours they put in ....

Things we need to consider ...

This is a great post. Finally, DA, I knew you could do it :highfive

Although I disagree with the paying musicians...it MUST be a labor of love and a gift that someone returns to God. At the least they can be getting paid, then sacrificing the whole amount of pay back in the form of music ministry offering...

On the other hand, should the musician be able to claim their non-salary as a gift to charity and be able to claim it on income tax at least? I don't know...doesn't sound good after I typed it.

Astoundingly great music is not a prerequisite for a move of the Holy Ghost.

Jekyll 05-26-2007 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jekyll (Post 129215)
This is a great post. Finally, DA, I knew you could do it :highfive

Although I disagree with the paying musicians...it MUST be a labor of love and a gift that someone returns to God. At the least they can be getting paid, then sacrificing the whole amount of pay back in the form of music ministry offering...

On the other hand, should the musician be able to claim their non-salary as a gift to charity and be able to claim it on income tax at least? I don't know...doesn't sound good after I typed it.

Astoundingly great music is not a prerequisite for a move of the Holy Ghost.

OOoops, I am really tired right now.

I didn't realize that there were so many more pages in the thread and conversation has move on...

But, DA's post was still good.

CC1 05-26-2007 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 129112)
Aw now...maybe what he was really expressing is that we should be watching Pentecostals on TV, not ex-pentecostals :-)

I wonder though if it's ok to watch Methodists...

BTW anyone know if the Jehovahs Witnesses are on TV? I know the Mormons have a satellite broadcast

Based on who that poster was I think it is extremely doubtful this is what he meant!!!! LOL!!!

Coffee99 05-30-2007 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave (Post 127851)
Makes me so very glad I've left..............

Me too

COOPER 05-30-2007 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Coffee99 (Post 133242)
Me too

Me three....:highfive

COOPER 05-30-2007 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Coonskinner (Post 129122)
Nobody but Jesus has the power to cast anyone into hell.

There is, however, a hell, and the Bible makes that plain.

Folks who don't obey the Lord are going there.
As for who is breaking fellowship, who is leaving whom?

I'm still what I always have been; my pastor and my wife's former pastor have both changed and now believe and preach radically different doctrine than they used to...it's pretty much a no-brainer as to who changed and who left.

Nice try.

You mean, Folks who don't obey the "Lord's of UPCI" are going there.

Sandra 05-30-2007 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by COOPER (Post 133284)
You mean, Folks who don't obey the "Lord's of UPCI" are going there.

:killinme:killinme:killinme:killinme

revrandy 05-30-2007 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by COOPER (Post 133284)
You mean, Folks who don't obey the "Lord's of UPCI" are going there.

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Originally Posted by Sandra (Post 133288)
:killinme:killinme:killinme:killinme

Typical....:bubble

Sandra 05-30-2007 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 127526)
It disturbs me when I see ex-apostolics on Televsion hawking money for the propagation of False Doctrine....

When I see ex-apostolic singers who turn their back on truth and claim anointing and propagate false doctrine...

Seems like they "sold out" to Cash in...

Claiming that their new found wealth & popularity is a sign of God's Blessings....

What think Ye??

oh brother:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

revrandy 05-30-2007 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandra (Post 133346)
oh brother:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

:bubble

Sandra 05-30-2007 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 133354)
:bubble

:killinme:killinme:killinme:killinme:killinme

COOPER 05-30-2007 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 133344)
Typical....:bubble

Truth is sad.

Sandra 05-30-2007 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by COOPER (Post 133359)
Truth is sad.

Truth will set you free!!!!:bubble

SDG 05-30-2007 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandra (Post 133383)
Truth will set you free!!!!:bubble

Sandra,

I hope to see you at Grace Humble this month ..... or is next?

Sandra 05-30-2007 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 133385)
Sandra,

I hope to see you at Grace Humble this month ..... or is next?

I will be there July 15th am service!!

SDG 05-30-2007 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandra (Post 133793)
I will be there July 15th am service!!

I should be in town .... Please sing Mercy Seat ... I cry almost every time I hear you sing it .

Sandra 05-30-2007 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 134000)
I should be in town .... Please sing Mercy Seat ... I cry almost every time I hear you sing it .

well, I have so many newer songs. I might, you never know:D

SDG 05-30-2007 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandra (Post 134011)
well, I have so many newer songs. I might, you never know:D

Well ... I'm sure they are just as good ... I don't want throw monkey wrench into the repertoire ..... but listening to your rendition of Mercy Seat has ministered to my soul .... in ways you can't imagine .... especially during a storm-filled season. Thank you.

Sandra 05-30-2007 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 134018)
Well ... I'm sure they are just as good ... I don't want throw monkey wrench into the repertoire ..... but listening to your rendition of Mercy Seat has ministered to my soul .... in ways you can't imagine .... especially during a storm-filled season. Thank you.

thanks so much. I hope to see you in Humble, please introduce yourself to me!!

SDG 05-30-2007 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandra (Post 134025)
thanks so much. I hope to see you in Humble, please introduce yourself to me!!

I will be honored ... Vick. My daughter will be as excited ....

Sacerdotal 06-04-2007 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 127526)
It disturbs me when I see ex-apostolics on Televsion hawking money for the propagation of False Doctrine....

When I see ex-apostolic singers who turn their back on truth and claim anointing and propagate false doctrine...

Seems like they "sold out" to Cash in...

Claiming that their new found wealth & popularity is a sign of God's Blessings....

What think Ye??

I agree. Laying down the doctine of truth for money is close to blasphemy.


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