Tulsa Report Day 2
 

Day 1 has been hyjacked. So I will post news here. Thanks for the prayers and concern again.

We really can't go by the numbers posted here can we. I am not saying the 1500 number in inaccurate. What I am saying is that we have no break down of those in attendance. What percentage are UPC ministers, what percentage are independents looking for a fellowship, what percentage are "observers?" We really won't know what the actual number will be until this is over and we see the number of "sign ups." correct?

This is correct as I know personally 10 who are there from the upc well 8 are upc and the rest are aljc or independant... as observers only... so it would be interesting to see who all was actually there for the purpose.

Don't forget wives and kids also. They did say yesterday that the 1,000 count was ministers. That would make sense if there were a total of 1500-2000 people there since the rest would be made up of wives and kids.

Sorry again! I hope you are feeling better!

The downstairs seats 1600 and they said it was comfortably full. Two preachers told me 1200 was a safe number mostly men thus preachers. But you are correct many are observers which have no intention of joining. However let's say 500 join many of these are with large churches that would be quite a base for the formation of a group.

Yes the only reason anyone would ever "change the subject" would be either
boredom or uncomfortable subject matter.

At Baker when the AMF formed if I remember correctly about 72 men crossed the line to form and that doubled within months then in about 4 years it had jumped to about 250 remember this was 68. So 500 men with well known leaders and some large churches in 5 years if they handle themselves like gentlemen it could be a large growth. Remember this is from a bystander I have no intention of joining and I know many men who have came out of the UPC that have no intention of joining. The majority of men who attend the AMC will not join.

What, in your opinion, would be the reason?

Hopefully, this is not too much of a hijack, but on the Day One thread, you mentioned that the Tulsa group will not issue licenses..........how then will they identify members?

They are recognizing local licenses put out by their local churches. It seems strange to me also. But I understand the why. No licenses no violation of the bylaws.

I see, so in order to join, you need to be licensed SOMEWHERE. I was just wondering how they would keep control over the statement of beliefs of the individual members.

I won't belabor the point, but I wonder how they will handle independent brethren?

Most GIB still seek accountability somewhere.

I have no idea? The concept is strange to me I don't undrstand what they are getting for $60 a month? But you and I both know licenses will be down the road. This is the infancy.

Bro. Reckart has posted some information on the conference:

http://apostoliccontender.blogspot.com/

Elder, I hope you are feeling better today.


I think the $60 a month fee is going to cause a few men that are not quite ready to leave the UPC to wait on joining this group. This high a cost for a simple fellowship card may become an issue.


I am with you though, $60 for what??

Funny....the caption on pic with wreckhart. He is all alone. . . . no one getting near him!

:stretch:

I did notice that.

The concept is easy to figure out. This is relationship selling 101 at it's best.

Never make your proposective customer feel like you are bashing the competition early on in the sale cycle.

Never let your customer fee like they have been doing things wrong and need your solution.

Just show them the benefits of the new solution.

Thus is the reasoning of the WPF.

Do not force ministers to choose just the WPF this early on.

Until it gets off the ground financially and structurally.

Then they will have word of mouth advertising from the men who are leaders of the group....

It was last reported that someone close to GR posts on this blog, and not GR himself. The blog has had ugly things to say about our Forum, so many discredit anything of value there.

I believe you are correct! :D

If that is the case, he should be careful who he has represent him.

I find that to be a little sad, but surely a man cannot expect to be separated from his words.

per a phone call estimated 950 in attendance, mostly ministers, not all UPC

There is an Apostolic Summit blog on the internet. It is found @ http://apostolicsummit.blogspot.com/

Someone from Bro. Booker's church is posting on it.

Apparently they did a count, and there was around 980 preachers in attendance, not including spouses and children.

Just spoke with a La. GIB preacher he said there was over 950 preachers and the place was filled. He is very reliable.

Another blog related to the Apostolic Summit can be found @ http://takingitbyforce.blogspot.com/

These men always have ushers count the entire crowd at all their meetings and an usher said there was barely over 1000 in attendance. That included women and children. I have been at some of their meetings and the ushers literally walk down the aisle, pencil in hand, and count the entire crowd.

That's a number that I can believe! :)

$60 x 12 = 720.00...

1000 Members..@ $720 per year...= 720,000.... very lucrative for the New Org....

I wouldn't bet on a 1000

Probably not...but even 200....$144,000 a year......

What is actually happening today???

Classes...Services????

I wonder if they are disappointed at not reaching 2000 or so???

Doesn't have to cost a penny, out of pocket:

So it can come out of the "pocket" of the member's church, or whatever he tithes to. See the beauty of it?

Does it mean I could split my normal tithe to belong to the Elk's Club??

For Outreach purposes of course....


and the fancy hat....

:D

I don't think so if they have close to 1000 preachers that is a large crowd. according to the votes only 2000 voted at Tampa they have been having meetings since 45. So nearly 1/2 ain't bad.

The schedule is on this link
http://worldwidepf.com/page.php?ID=30