Baptismal Formula
 

I think I may have asked this before so forgive me. BUt what if someone baptized saying.....

"I now baptize you in the name of the F.S. and H. which is Jesus Christ".

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Because it takes the emphasis off of the name of Jesus Christ.

(Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

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definitely but still envokes it

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Some did that in the early part of oneness (1914?) but droppped it later.

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A problem with this WHOLE debate is that people try being 'too smart by half'. They hang onto individual words (included it or not), singular or plural, "lord" or not..... Do you think that God would ........ someone to hell over such minutia?

On another note, I WAS baptized in Jesus name.... and would again (if for some weird reason it was required), and tell others to as well. But all things being equal, if I were to walk up to someone (who knew my dad) and told them "I come in my dads name", they are going to know who I am talking about. In ancient times, if a messenger came to a village and said "I come in the name of the king!", would the villagers not know? Does JESUS not know? So many are so quick to put people into hell over this....

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We have absolutely NO record of exactly what the apostles said when they baptized other than the "name of the Lord Jesus Christ" and iterations thereof. I have baptized folks that way before. The name of the Father, Son & Holy Ghost IS Jesus Christ! It's all in Him!! :D

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If I was do somethink like that I would say I baptize you in the name of Jesus Christ which is the name of the father,son,holy spirit unto the remission of sin.
I have always just baptized people in the name of Jesus Christ.

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we have a couple thriving churches in ouor community that baptize that way. Interesting

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Which way?

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So? Invoke....the whole point of what Jesus says is not about invoking a special word that can do something.....it's about stating the authority by which you are baptizing.

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so you would agree with this form of baptism?

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I now baptize you in the name of the F.S.&H. which is Jesus Christ

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No....why would you say that?

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i went to the bible book store the other day and ask them if they had a family portrait. The one with the father son and holy ghost all in it. they said we only got a picture of Jesus.

That pretty much settles it for me. Plus that you gotta be baptized in moving water and not a horse trough.

creeks, rivers I broke the ice many a time. Find me a family portrait of the trinity and i might take a second look at it.

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Did you really? :toofunny

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then again my bible book store is a couple of racks in Genes corner stop.

a few chuck wagon gang 8 tracks and some book called "people who chase God"

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Most of don't think God is smart enough to know it's his authority that is being called on.

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Hi Kurtless,It's like this,Jesus said to baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.Jesus knew the name of The Father,Son and Holy Ghost was Jesus and the disciples knew that,that's why they baptized in Jesus name.Jesus knows the name is Jesus and if someone says in the name of the Father,Son and Holy Ghost,then it's in the name but if they say in the Father,Son and Holy Ghost leaving name out then it wouldn't be in the name. The bottom line is,the name is Jesus and I understand that and would never baptize any other way.

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Actually, from my study of the Jewish Roots of Christianity, I found that baptism was absolutely nothing new in the NT at all. Not only that, but it was not uncommon in Jesus' time for disciples to go through the Mikveh (Jewish baptism) and be immersed in the name of the Rabbi/Teacher whose teaching they were following, and to whom they were separating themselves TO. From a Jewish perspective, authority was not the focus, the person being separated TO was the focus.

So, from that standpoint, we are immersed in the name of our "Rabbi" signifying that we are separating ourselves TO Him. We are joining ourselves to His teaching etc. This was no small matter in biblical times. It was extremely serious and a big commitment as well.

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Its called conversation....feedback....the ole back and forth routine....ya dig?

Just trying to get some quality answers. From some one who calls themself Praxeas no less. Surely you have some deeper thoughts for little ole me.

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This made me laugh out loud. I just went up and told my wife. I just might try that.....its awesome. I've been debating some trinitarian folks I would love to use it but I don't want to make them mad. Good stuff ogat.

The running water thing though....uhhhhh.....what????????

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He apparently didn't get that the name of Jesus is the authority.

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I read similar MOW. Hey have you ever had a face to face talk with a Rabbi......jus wonderin

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You should refer to him as Rev. Ogatt!

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hey you tawkin ta me!!!!:boxing

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and you should refer to me as Mr. Kutless

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THanks Bro Joela....I have no problems with J. name baptism.....name it and claim it. He is the one true God. Just really hadn't ever been faced with this particualr scenario so close to home.

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Why are you being rude? Play nice.

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why are you referring to me as "he" when I'm right here. Your being rude.

I've talked to Prax on other ocassions and meant no rudeness to him at all.

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Leave it to you :toofunny

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:girlytantrum:toofunny

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Hey Rev. Ogatt....there's those family portraits you were looking for at Gene's

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I think I'm moving beyond your resources and I'm ready to "team up" with that Brother Ogatt; if that's not too presumptuous of a statement to make. :toofunny

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Well if we could get one more we could fill up the first two rows :toofunny

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By the way, I have plenty of resourses. I just can't remember where they are! :toofunny

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Yes, I have. However, it has been quite a number of years ago when I was taking a Hebrew class at a local synagogue. We had discussions on the godhead. I was really clueless then as to what Judaism believes and teaches. :D

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I know what a conversation is. I wondering why you would ask me THAT question as if I gave some hint that I do? I mean, let's turn it around...do you still smoke pot? What you say? when and where did I ever say I do or ever did? Maybe that will help you in hone your conversational skills some. ;-p

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That's what I was thinking.....

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Gutless?

HAHA or wait...how about dagger :happydance Just kidding