Originally Posted by ReformedDave (Post 404712)

I'd comment....but I'm not wanted. Presbyterian connection you know.

Originally Posted by ReformedDave (Post 404712)

I'd comment....but I'm not wanted. Presbyterian connection you know.

Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 404721)

Are you related to someone on the board?

Originally Posted by ReformedDave (Post 404723)

I meant- My being presbyterian.....

Originally Posted by Monkeyman (Post 404742)

But to answer your question...YES! :)

Originally Posted by NLYP (Post 404704)

his was E-Mailed to me this morning...


General Board Ruling
February 26, 2008

Whereas there may be religious organizations or associations or fellowships formed that do not use the word ‘license’ or ‘ordination,’ yet for all intents and purposes have the same, or similar, function as those organizations who do use the word ‘license’ or ‘ordination,’ including the United Pentecostal Church International; and in keeping with the spirit and intent of the UPCI Manual; the General Board hereby offers this interpretation of Article VII, Section 2, paragraph 6:
Any religious organization or association that offers the same or similar benefits of the UPCI, requires payment of dues, and subscribing to a set of Articles of Faith in order to be a member, shall be interpreted as satisfying the description ‘to hold license or ordination with’ in Article VII, Section 2, paragraph 6, even though those specific words may not be used by said organization or association.
The Board finds that the WPF is such an organization for the purposes of Article VII Section 2 paragraph 6. It is the ruling of the Board that in the spirit and intent of that paragraph, it is therefore not proper for a minister to hold membership in both the UPCI and the WPF. The Board reiterates that the implementation of this ruling is, as always, in the hands of the District Boards to determine the timing and other aspects of that implementation.

God bless,

Originally Posted by Brother Price (Post 404759)

The GB needs to find an altar and pray. We are all part of the Body of Christ!

Originally Posted by dizzyde (Post 404772)

I'm sure they would have never thought of that without your help...

Puleeez.

Brother, just because you have received your great enlightenment, please don't presume to know the hearts of these men, most of which I am fairly sure you have never met. I am not making the statement that you are incorrect, simply that you have no way of knowing how much time they spend in prayer.

I sincerely feel to tell you that you are in danger of becoming just as rigid in you new-found beliefs, as you were in you old ones. You might want to take your own advice.

Originally Posted by Brother Price (Post 404777)

DD, I do take my own advice. Oh well. Bless ya good anyway.

Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 404779)

I have found in my experiences with people, that prayer doesn't have much to do with it. I have known people who "prayed" a lot and were just as "wacked" out as could be. This is primarily because they already have their minds made up as to what is right and what is wrong. The more convinced they are of that, the easier it is to superimpose their beliefs over top of what God says making what they believe to be what God says to them.

Most organizations are going by the wayside in favor the non-denominational, locally lead assembly which doesn't have to fool with politics and man made regulations. :D

Originally Posted by ReformedDave (Post 404712)

I'd comment....but I'm not wanted. Presbyterian connection you know.

Originally Posted by dizzyde (Post 404772)

I'm sure they would have never thought of that without your help...

Puleeez.

Brother, just because you have received your great enlightenment, please don't presume to know the hearts of these men, most of which I am fairly sure you have never met. I am not making the statement that you are incorrect, simply that you have no way of knowing how much time they spend in prayer.

I sincerely feel to tell you that you are in danger of becoming just as rigid in you new-found beliefs, as you were in you old ones. You might want to take your own advice.

Originally Posted by The Mrs (Post 404763)

Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 404779)

I have found in my experiences with people, that prayer doesn't have much to do with it. I have known people who "prayed" a lot and were just as "wacked" out as could be. This is primarily because they already have their minds made up as to what is right and what is wrong. The more convinced they are of that, the easier it is to superimpose their beliefs over top of what God says making what they believe to be what God says to them.

Most organizations are going by the wayside in favor the non-denominational, locally lead assembly which doesn't have to fool with politics and man made regulations. :D

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 404806)

Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 404816)

......on earth as it is in heaven! :D

Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 404779)

...
Most organizations are going by the wayside in favor the non-denominational, locally lead assembly which doesn't have to fool with politics and man made regulations. :D

Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 404706)

Same ole. Some things never change.

Originally Posted by Brother Price (Post 404815)

I want to explain something, if I seem rigid...

Recently, since all that has happened to me, I have found a safe place in Christ. Yes, where I am is a safe place, a covered tank on this journey I am on. Through the portals, I see individuals being damaged and destroyed by religion and judgmentalism, the works of man. If I am rambling, please, bear with me...

I have watched aborted children never come into the Lord because of religion deeming them unworthy. I have seen individuals see the abused, and blame the abused for being abused. I have watched saints with genuine gifts become crushed under the heavy weight of self-righteous judges who think they are the judge, and not the Lord. I have watched it all, from the portals of my safe place, and I wept.

Now, we have entire orgs determining who should and who should not be, on the basis of an alphabet game. This is upsetting to me, and I just feel as if I should say something, even if it seems harsh. It is not meant to be harsh, but when I see blood on the streets and the open wounds long enough, I say enough, and I want to do something about it. And that is what I will do. I will endeavor to be as humble and as loving as I can, and hope it continues to show. But, I must speak out against this serious religious toxicity that is poisoning our churches.

If I am wrong, allow the Lord to correct me. Pray for me. If you feel I am wrong, then show me as well. But, understand that all I do now, and will continue to do, will be in love and for Him who saved me.

Originally Posted by NW Pastor (Post 404826)

What did you expect? If somone cuts open an artery, the bleeding must be stopped. Many of the WPFers have already left. That is the natural path of future WPFers. To allow dual affiliation would further the influence to leave the UPCI, thus weakening the power of the UPCI to effectively evangelize the world through the collective efforts of its members.

We must remember who left whom first. In my opinion, the leadership of the WPF knew this would be the outcome, and hoped for it. That way, they could be viewed as the victims when this ruling was adopted.

Politics!!!!

Originally Posted by scotty (Post 404828)

:drama

Encore, Encore, Encore!!!!!!!! I think I smell an Emmy, maybe a Grammy!!! (sniff,,,,sniff) Naa ...just ..Moons over my Hammy....

Sorry dude , not meaning to be harsh.. Yeah there are some zealot idiots (ughum...) Idealogs out there...are they in every church....NO.....are they representive of the whole org.......NO

I you look out your little portal window there from your little safe tank and you keep seeing all this doom and gloom....well I have a little tip for ya.....

Quit driving up and down the same street!!!!!

Get outa town dude........otherwise ,...spare me the sob story...grab up as many as you can and go to the next town...

Now here is one for ya......why preach your "revelations" here???

Are you trying to say that some here are like those terrible people you see through your portal??? Don't guess you would care to name them???

If none here then wouldn't you be preaching to the choir?? Hmmmm....

Originally Posted by Sam (Post 404822)

and that sounds like a good thing

Originally Posted by Brother Price (Post 404815)

I want to explain something, if I seem rigid...

Recently, since all that has happened to me, I have found a safe place in Christ. Yes, where I am is a safe place, a covered tank on this journey I am on. Through the portals, I see individuals being damaged and destroyed by religion and judgmentalism, the works of man. If I am rambling, please, bear with me...

I have watched aborted children never come into the Lord because of religion deeming them unworthy. I have seen individuals see the abused, and blame the abused for being abused. I have watched saints with genuine gifts become crushed under the heavy weight of self-righteous judges who think they are the judge, and not the Lord. I have watched it all, from the portals of my safe place, and I wept.

Now, we have entire orgs determining who should and who should not be, on the basis of an alphabet game. This is upsetting to me, and I just feel as if I should say something, even if it seems harsh. It is not meant to be harsh, but when I see blood on the streets and the open wounds long enough, I say enough, and I want to do something about it. And that is what I will do. I will endeavor to be as humble and as loving as I can, and hope it continues to show. But, I must speak out against this serious religious toxicity that is poisoning our churches.

If I am wrong, allow the Lord to correct me. Pray for me. If you feel I am wrong, then show me as well. But, understand that all I do now, and will continue to do, will be in love and for Him who saved me.

Originally Posted by Brother Price (Post 404971)

Amos, and sometimes it take 43 times for us to realize how wrong we were. Thank Jesus I was at least able to see this, and am willing to change. And, if my 'solemn proclamations' are not met with the gravity 'I' would like, brother, then maybe it was not for the people I spoke to, instead it was for those who come by and lurk, and need to see something different and transparent.

This epiphany I had did not come by work of man, but by the hand of God, changing me and transforming me by His love and grace. Man-made epiphanies seek to exalt man. They seek their own glory. In all I do, I solely and simply desire to bring glory to He who is my Father and my Friend, and my Lord.

Originally Posted by NW Pastor (Post 404826)

What did you expect? If somone cuts open an artery, the bleeding must be stopped. Many of the WPFers have already left. That is the natural path of future WPFers. To allow dual affiliation would further the influence to leave the UPCI, thus weakening the power of the UPCI to effectively evangelize the world through the collective efforts of its members.

We must remember who left whom first. In my opinion, the leadership of the WPF knew this would be the outcome, and hoped for it. That way, they could be viewed as the victims when this ruling was adopted.
Politics!!!!