I was lied to tonight,but kept my mouth shut
 

I flew into Chicago tonight, I am singing on a choir CD that Donald Lawerence is producing tomorrow night.


I get into the car and realized its not the SUV or car this church usually picks me up in.
Its usually a black suburban. This was a black brand new Cadillac.

I said to the driver " This is a very nice car does this belong to the church?"

He said "yes". I said " When did they get it?" He said" just here recently".

Just as he said that I look up and saw ENTERPRISE RENTAL on the key
chain.:tantrum:tantrum:tantrum:tantrum

Re: I was lied to tonight,but kept my mouth shut
 

LOL!!! Well, give him a little credit--Enterprise Rental does sell vehicles. It could be true. ;)

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LOL! I was just thinking the same thing! :gaga

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Most likely he was lying about it. Here's a question, why would one feel the need to lie about something like this? Is it that we have put such a premium on image that people feel they have to tell lies to maintain that image?

Why lie?

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Wow, that sounds exciting!

Not the lying part, the part of you doing work with Donald Lawrence! I loves me some D Lawrence!

Have fun and be blessed!

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It does belong to the church if they rented it........

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LOL...Me too!!

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Now... we generally refer to a statement like that as a Pentecostal Lie.

It is a demonstration of an extraordinary ability to stretch the truth beyond all recognition to get a point made etc.

Excellent demonstration I might add. :)

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I'm not sure...

I have only experienced the Pentecostal Lie.

I am not aware of the parameters of the Pentecostal Divorce.

:)

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I don't want to sound disrespectful. But I'm wondering what difference does it make whether the car belongs to the church or not? I'm not ok with lying, but sometimes I wonder why it is that we all have this need to impress each other with what we have (which would be the reason he might have lied to you, I'm thinking?)

At our Bible study last night we were discussing the night that the rich kid came to Jesus and asked what he needed to do to be saved. Jesus told him to sell all he had and give it to the needy and then come follow him, but the man went away sad. I wonder if how many of us Christians are very much like that young man, even if we don't want to admit it. Not only do want to impress others with what we have, but we also want to be impressed by what others have.

I think we have a tendency to measure the worth of other people by their possessions instead of measuring their worth by God's yardstick.

Ok, sorry. This is just my soapbox for the day.

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Pentecostal divorce ... is when married saints don't co-habitate for long periods of time (separated).

We had one couple, both involved in ministry in their respective churches, who for over 20 plus years (maybe longer) ... lived in seperate regions of the United States.

Also, a lot men, usually, who emigrated from Latin America in our Spanish churches .... would come, work, send money to their families ... but never would send for them ... or the wife ... sometimes for years ... and sometimes never.

We would say among ourselves that they had a "Pentecostal divorce".

Re: I was lied to tonight,but kept my mouth shut
 

Sandra,

I would've asked him if he could stop by Enterprise because you were thinking of renting a car ...

You might have gotten a better gauge if he was lying or not.

Re: I was lied to tonight,but kept my mouth shut
 

Might not be lying to you.............My Dodge Durango was an Enterprise Rental.....Maybe they bought from Enterprise.

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I am great friends with the man who is over the transportation at this church, I am going to make a comment on how I love the new car they just got , when I see him tonight. He will tell me:D

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Not to worry. Enterprise sells their cars when they hit 40,000 miles.

So they may not have changed the keychain the keys attached to....

Unless he just had no idea...

Either way you deserve the best ride...

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:stirpot :)

you go girl!

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Our 2006 Ford Freestar Van used to be an Enterprise Rental. They sold this particular vehicle after 20,000 miles.

Got a great deal.

There was no Enterprise Keychain but there was Enterprise paperwork, brochures etc in the glove box.

But, then again, I didn't buy it directly from Enterprise. I bought it from a micro dealer who, in turn, bought it from Enterprise.

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If the driver was anything like me, he probably never noticed the keychain and just did what he was told... pick up that there singer gal from the airport! lol... (but most guys notice things when it comes to vehicles!)

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So what difference does it make?
You got the ride, at least you didn't have to walk!! j/k

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My question exactly! Why would it make any difference whether they owned it or whether it was a rental? Who really cares????

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Who says he was lying just because he had a rental car keychain? I have a lot of keychains that have nothing to do with how I obtained my vehicle! LOL!

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I think the whole thing is going to end up having been the truth.

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IDK, but my thinking would be, if I am going to buy a Cadillac -AND If I did not want anyone to think it was a rental--the first thing to do would be GET RID OF THE KEY CHAIN!!! :lol

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Or, on the transverse, if I were to buy a Cadillac but couldn't care less if anyone thought it was a rental then I might use the keychain that came free with the car.

:)

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Alrighty then.....:kickcan

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But what you just said doesn't make much sense-

Because if you buy the Cadillac in the first place for image purposes you wouldn't keep the key chain.

I guess that is point that I was making :groan

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Yes ma'am... I caught the point.

I was just offering the transverse.

One wouldn't necessarily buy a Cadillac for status although some/many very well might.

I would not prefer a Cadillac. I prefer the Lincoln Town Car and I like that car for its comfort, smooth ride and the track record of performance that I have experienced with that vehicle.

One day I would like to find a good used Mercedes to buy as well. Not for status but for the safety record of the vehicle as well as the nice ride that I would expect.

I have never driven one but should actual experience meet up with my expectations then I would see a good used Mercedes as a wise choice as long as there is a good maintenance record with it.

These vehicles can, indeed, be bought for status purposes but this is not always the case.

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Who says the keychain came w/ the car ... what if someone just likes the Enterprise keychain look?

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Well I certainly agree people (or individuals) buy cars for the purpose of driving them and if they prefer to drive a luxury car it may not be for image sake but for a comfortable ride.

But if a church buys a Cadillac, umm makes me think they bought it for image sake--but that is my view. I understand that there are churches that send limousines to pick up their guest speakers. I believe it is all about image, and the image being perhaps, is that they believe God's people deserve the best- ( I am not saying that this is my view, but that of some ministries)

If a ministry does not espouse to that view (I am not saying it's right or wrong) why buy a Cadillac? Why not buy a van?? My husband and I have been escorted in Vans -- IDK.

Oh well makes for interesting dialog, and I am all about interesting dialog on AFF--(love it :thumbsup)

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But the car is supposedly owned by a church not an individual--why not the church key chain???

Who knows?!

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I am very close to this church, Pastor Winston is my pastor. The last few times I was picKed up they had purchased new vehicles. I just thought it was another new car.
This is a BIG event, Cece Winans and other guests are here,they had to rent a few cars for tonight . No biggie, I just found it funny when I saw the enterprise tag.

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:killinme :killinme :killinme

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OK sooo sorry I shared this funny moment with AFF... lighten up. I just found it funny.:tantrum:tantrum

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People do what they have to do........I knew a family that would "borrow" their clothes from our local boutique to go to General Conference.

I NEVER understood that!

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Think you are talking about Pastor Bill Winston!?!? I love his ministry he is a great preacher. I have never heard him live, but was going to once in TN and he had to cancel, but man he is good. Even when he is preaching a deep message he makes it ankle deep so everyone can get it.

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Get Preacher, love him dearly. I named my 3 year old after him... Walker Winston Hodges :D

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I have seen on tv or maybe just pictures a portion of little Walker baby dedication. I saw him and Bishop Jakes praying for little Walker. I believe that you prophesied that Walker would be the Pres one day right? LOL

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Well, I'm not sure now If I want him to be president now, I just believe he will do Great things!!
Bishop Jakes said walker was a modern day MOSES, he would lead people.

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Oooooooooooooooooooooooool...

That reminds me.

I know a family that... regularly... will go and buy clothes for a special occasion... wear them to the special occasion... and then return the clothes afterwards.

I think that is terrible...