Originally Posted by Ron (Post 458731)

Abbitsford is in the Fraser Valley about 45 miles east of Vancouver.
It is also called the Bible belt.

http://ca.maps.yahoo.com/maps_result...botsford%2C+bc

Originally Posted by Sam (Post 458767)

yeah, but those people can't be receiving the REAL Holy Ghost,
and can't be speaking in REAL tongues,
and can't be receiving REAL healings and miracles,
and can't be praising and worshiping the REAL God,
because,
Todd Bentley has body piercings and tattoos and he does not hold papers with the UPC.

It's all either satanic power or faked.

Originally Posted by Sam (Post 458767)

yeah, but those people can't be receiving the REAL Holy Ghost,
and can't be speaking in REAL tongues,
and can't be receiving REAL healings and miracles,
and can't be praising and worshiping the REAL God,
because,
Todd Bentley has body piercings and tattoos and he does not hold papers with the UPC.

It's all either satanic power or faked.

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 458802)

I certainly would not say it is satanic or all faked... But it doesn't mean I am comfortable with piercings or tattoos.

I could go and give thanks where I do agree and believe God is working - don't we all do this at our churches?

It would be problematic to me if I thought God could only work AFTER stamping his full and absolute approval on the messenger.

Originally Posted by DanielR (Post 458806)

Having said that, just because someone has UPC papers doesn't mean that he is approved by God, the lack of papers doesn't prove that he isn't approved by God.
God doesn't need a man made permission slip to use who He chooses to. All the papers are for is bragging rights amoung the brethern. They mean absolutely nothing to God.

Originally Posted by Monkeyman (Post 458714)

Are there any AFFers with a report from the Lakeland Florida revival? I will be doing a radio interview and I would like some background.

Kinda weird...after the Starfield concert debacle where kids were injured at a church concert in Abbotsford, BC Canada, I have been praying for the church folk there...then today, while gathering info for a great Canadian songwriter, Brian Doerkson, I found out he is from Abbotsford, so finally in doing a little research about this revival in Florida, I found out the evangelist is from....Abbotsford! I have never heard of this place before and now I am thinking, hmmm weird!:reaction

Originally Posted by Sam (Post 458840)

Oh, be careful with that attitude.
A man or woman is not issued a license to preach until he or she has met stringent requirements and has been thoroughly examined by men in positions of authority.

Originally Posted by Monkeyman (Post 458714)

Are there any AFFers with a report from the Lakeland Florida revival? I will be doing a radio interview and I would like some background.

Kinda weird...after the Starfield concert debacle where kids were injured at a church concert in Abbotsford, BC Canada, I have been praying for the church folk there...then today, while gathering info for a great Canadian songwriter, Brian Doerkson, I found out he is from Abbotsford, so finally in doing a little research about this revival in Florida, I found out the evangelist is from....Abbotsford! I have never heard of this place before and now I am thinking, hmmm weird!:reaction

Originally Posted by POWERUP (Post 455949)

Has anyone been watching or keeping up with the Florida Outpouring, with
special speaker Todd Bentley?

Friend of mine went to a couple of the services. Said they were awesome.

Todd Bentley is just a normal guy who God delievered from some mighty rough stuff.

I know when some people see him, they will judge him, cause of his looks. tatoos,piercings, gotee.

But anyway, my friend said there were people getting thier healings, and miracles in the parking lot, before they even got out of the car.

No show boating, just Gods spirit, moving in a mighty way.

Todd Bentleys website is FRESHFIREMINISTRIES.

OR UPSTREAMTV

Originally Posted by Jeanie (Post 455953)

I have been watching and praying what is happening there in Florida will happen here in Ca.!

They are having so many people show up they have had to change locations 3 times.

I have seen some amazing miracles happen, and a CBS affiliated news person showed up one night and received healing.

I know what you mean by Todd Bentley would not be one we would chose to bring revival to that area, just goes to show God doesn't need our permission to use anyone.

Originally Posted by POWERUP (Post 455961)

The friend of mine that went, said he went to Tiger Stadium. Todd Bentley was praying and prophesing over thousands. He said he layed hands on over 4000 people, before the night was over.

And you are so right, about who God uses. We think we know, but we don't have the foggest idea.

I never have understood, how you look, or don't look annointed.

Originally Posted by Jeanie (Post 455974)

I hear ya! Well I am not going to say something isn't of God just because I don't like the way the preacher looks.

Since I have been watching I have seen many healing take place and miracles happen. Anytime anyone is healed they always glorify Jesus and acknowledge that He healed them.

I envy your friend, thank you for sharing what you have heard. I was wanting to hear a first hand account from someone who actually went.

So did your friend receive a prophetic word or healing? Did your friend witness any healings?

I would love to see people getting touched by God out in a parking lot! That would be amazing!

Originally Posted by POWERUP (Post 456096)

The main thing he talked about was that Todd Bentley, through God of course, was praying the blessing of impartation of gifts on him and different ones.

As far as what a preacher looks like.....Well let me say this. I will never forget about 4 years ago, at my old home church. We had a visiting minister come for a 2 week revival.

I was leading the worship that morning when this fellow walked in, and started coming toward the platform. I looked at one of the other associate pastors, and asked, Is that the preacher? Of course, in a shocked look!

I never enrolled in JCM, but I had several good friends who went there. I practically lived at the place, between 88 and 92.

All that to say this, you know when your around bible school, you have a preconceived idea as to what a minister is supposed to look like, and dress like.

The guy that was coming across the platform to shake my hand, looked rough! crue cut, and all! Looked kinda like Billy Bob Thornton in Slingblade.

Guy had on highwaters, necktie to short, old shoes, etc...

Needless to say, this guy became one of my good friends.

Trust me. For 2 weeks, I was in awe! This guy didn't just quote scripture from memory, he really preached the word.

To this day I have never heard a minister, preach that much conviction in a house. For 2 weeks the altars were full. With me, being the main one. Out of all the preachers that I have been around in this movement, he is the one that I wanted to be like.

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 456161)

From the videos on youtube he sure seems to take a lot of queues from Benny Hinn.

Originally Posted by DanielR (Post 458851)

What I boldened is why I take issue with the authority of papers. Fact remains that it is men handing out the papers, that may or may not represent God's approval of the man seeking those papers.

Originally Posted by Sherri (Post 458959)

I've watched a couple nights of it so far. I can't find anything that would make me feel like it was not of God. The guy is a weird looking dude, but that just shows that God isn't into stereotypes. There have been amazing miracles of healing, even from people watching it on TV or the internet. I sure wouldn't be one to criticize it!! I want those kinds of miracles here.

Originally Posted by stmatthew (Post 459421)

What doctrine is he presenting to the congregants? I understand that this is not important to some.

Originally Posted by stmatthew (Post 459421)

What doctrine is he presenting to the congregants? I understand that this is not important to some.

Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 459423)

We can't let God move unless we put our stamp of approval on it. Somebody send God an IM quick, bet he doesn't know who He is pouring His Spirit out on.

Originally Posted by steve p (Post 459424)

2 people from my church have attended said revival, funny though, they didnt discuss doctrine there, they were too busy experiencing the power of God........

Originally Posted by Jeanie (Post 459426)

I for one see that God healing people is a doctrine, and this revival is an example of God's healing power in action.

Originally Posted by stmatthew (Post 459429)

Funny, even prophecy is to be judged according to the Word of God. But God forbid we judge a "move of God" by whether sound doctrine is preached.

Originally Posted by stmatthew (Post 459428)

Amazing! The characteristics of the book of Acts church was.......


Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added [unto them] about three thousand souls.
Act 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.


But of course since doctrine means nothing anymore, carry on.

Originally Posted by steve p (Post 459433)

Brother, Im not here to argue....Im no theologian...I just love Jesus and I am grateful He is still Alive and working miracles today....
May you be blessed!!!!

Originally Posted by Jeanie (Post 459439)

Matthew 4:23-24 And Jesus went about in all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of disease and all manner of sickness among the people. 24 And the report of him went forth into all Syria: and they brought unto him all that were sick, holden with divers diseases and torments, possessed with demons, and epileptic, and palsied; and he healed them.

Matthew 8:16-17 When evening came, many who were demon-possessed were brought to him, and he drove out the spirits with a word and healed all the sick. [17] This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah: “He took up our infirmities and carried our diseases.”

Matthew 14:35-36 And when the men of that place recognized Jesus, they sent word to all the surrounding country. People brought all their sick to him [36] and begged him to let the sick just touch the edge of his cloak, and all who touched him were healed.

Jesus healed people before the book of acts-

My question would be does God respond to correct doctrine or does he respond to faith?

Originally Posted by stmatthew (Post 459446)

again, not saying that God is not doing his thang. But if no one is hearing sound doctrine, then is anything eternal taking place?

Originally Posted by AmazingGrace (Post 459438)

One thing I noticed a while back and its been bothering me off and on since then... I saw someone post something about a "healing service" they had... and this person said... "when I heal someone" or something very similar to that same effect... And this thread brought that back to mind...

Do you people really really realize it is God doing these healings and not the man???? People begin to look too much to man and not enough towards the divine healer! I do not doubt God can and does use people like this but first of all there is a lot missing.. second of all... is this another benny hinn we are dealing with? Oh wait... Forgot we have the BH cheerleading section here too ROFL! My bad... just think about it..

Originally Posted by Jeanie (Post 459439)

...
My question would be does God respond to correct doctrine or does he respond to faith?

Originally Posted by Sam (Post 459453)

OK, I'll get ready to dodge the rocks, bricks, tomatoes, etc. that may be flung my way
but,
in my opinion,
God is more interested in our heart than He is in our head.

Originally Posted by stmatthew (Post 459446)

again, not saying that God is not doing his thang. But if no one is hearing sound doctrine, then is anything eternal taking place?

Originally Posted by Sam (Post 459453)

OK, I'll get ready to dodge the rocks, bricks, tomatoes, etc. that may be flung my way
but,
in my opinion,
God is more interested in our heart than He is in our head.

Originally Posted by Jeanie (Post 459458)

Matt I know several people who were healed in trinitarian churches but came to the knowledge of One God and Acts 2:38--their healing was a stepping stone to more.

Originally Posted by Baron1710 (Post 459447)

So your saying...God do you really know what you are doing?

Originally Posted by AmazingGrace (Post 459461)

Ok I will give you that... but I also know many who have been healed in these type services lakeland/hinn and they do not come to know the truth and all they become is freak followers of these people and follow them around from service to service with more added ailments or trying to get their healings...

Sometimes these people become so puffed up it ends up being nothing but an Me Me Me thing and God quickly gets removed from the mix