Ex-Bush Spokesman: Propaganda Used to Push War
 

Duh.

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Somebody on CNN is criticizing the Bush administration!

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Goodness gracious, Chris, we haven't heard anything like this in what? 15 minutes?

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lol

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Yes, another politico has sold himself for a book deal $$$$$$, the policy of personal destruction continues.

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Wait!?!?!! Someone has written a book...a real book...about their days in the White House?!?!?!?!

And it's completely different from the statements and positions they took while actually in their White House job?!?!?!?

Amazing!?!?! This could not have possible happened before!?!?!? A one-of-a-kind event, no doubt!?!?!?!?!

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Of course we all know that what is said in public is always exactly what is said behind closed doors and that our fearless leaders are above trickery and sculldoggery and (gasp) lying to the public and manipulating facts and the media in order to further their hidden agendas. Can anyone say "Vietnam" and "Iran/Contra" and "Gulf War"? :tic

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LOL!!! I wonder why these whistle blowers are never held accountable for not speaking up when it really mattered? It's really easy to be a brave boy when you no longer risk losing your job mid-shift.

I tend to admire the folks who speak up when they have nothing to gain and everything to lose.

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well said miss b, there silence in the crisis, devalues there opinion in my house, dt

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I believe they are in a position where it is not ethical or it's an issue of loyalty, for the time, to speak.

It isn't much different than the "non-compete" agreements I've had to sign in business practice.

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When it directly effects their paycheck people typically keep quiet. When they are left to think about it and mull it over in their minds and they feel safe they come out.

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Notice no one here appears as concerned with the implications regarding the war and this administration as they are about finding fault with the messenger. Again...Bush get's a free pass by religious conservatives. What if this is true?

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Nah GH, it's just the same old, same old. And it's not like anyone hasn't ever said this before. True or not his saying this now is greed alone. Money, money, money. And there is plenty of fault to be found with any administration. Same results, different reasons.

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And I of course am going to go to Wal-Mart and buy this book...............NOT!!

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So even if this guy's telling the truth the Bush Administration should get a free pass on this? C'mon...this is far more corrupt than President Clinton trying to cover up an affair.

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Nope, not what I am saying at all. This book will probably not change anyone's mind about the administration. And another thing is why publish this now? Who is he hoping offers him a job?

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I think it has more to do with revealing the facts behind the war so that the people have more information in the coming election. Do we essentially keep the current machine and course of action or do we change direction?

Of course, the press secretary was given warm words and praise when leaving and all was nice and friendly. Now this guy is going to be painted as disgruntled. It's like when a controlling pastor looses control of a saint who decides to speak up about something not right...suddenly that saint is just "not himself".

Republicans will vote Republican regardless of the deception and lies of the Bush Administration...and those voting Democratic already know the war was based on lies and fabrications. This will only effect undecideds and independents.

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The media has so brainwashed the public that we all believe this now??? Truth no longer has any weigh against the third column.

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Noooo..republicans ( myself anyway ) will vote republican because thats the way we believe. You know , some here feel UPC is not the way to go, and some do.....I feel the conservative way is the way I prefer to go..All of your arguments are plausable at best....easily argued from both sides with neither side having the ability to win....I could disprove most of what you spew on here, and you may could do the same with me..but when it comes down to us having no more post and rebuttles it simply comes down to what we (individually) believe we want for government...its our opinion...nothing more, nothing less......Bush has done no worse job than carter, clinton or anyone else for that matter. Bush didn't ask for this, he responded in a manner he felt best....

its funny we being full of the Holy Ghost and living for God will be first to proclaim we are not perfect yet we expect a man with more pressure than we will ever be faced with to be perfect.


BTW...they just announced that Scott admitted his editor re wrote much of the book he released...imagine that

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Bro notice something...you're not able to even conceive that the Bush Administration perpetrated a war of choice based on false pretenses. When one understands how far back plans to invade Iraq go (the first Bush Presidency) it becomes obvious that this was the brainchild of Paul Wolfowitz. What if Scott is telling the truth? I mean...if he were...what would you expect the White House and the Administration to say?

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I understand what you're saying and you're right. But when it comes to President Bush....something went wrong shortly after 9/11 and suddenly we were on a very dark road. My wife and I both expressed how things just felt strange. I don't trust Bush. I firmly believe that when Bush is out of power people will come out of the woodwork to tell the truth about this Presidency, people you'll be shocked to hear say such things. And I think it will demonstrate how blind and manipulated so many of us have been by the political "conservatives" (who are really just neo-fascists pretending to be conservatives).

When someone claims to be Pro-Life and Anti-Gay marriage we zone out and accept them without hesitation. Bro...I fear those are just buttons they push to mobilize the robots if you know what I mean.

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Everyone forgets that it was the official policy of the US for regime change in Iraq for 15 years prior to the W administration. Saddam defied the whole world community including the toothless UN, America was attacked and the source of that attack was squarely in the Mideast. History will credit the Bush administration with stopping the rise of radical Islam, the Democrats will no more pull out of Iraq abruptly than a goose, it is all politics.

President Bush has been so demonized by the press, the Democrats and wimpy Republicans that anyone who defends him is made to look the fool. I appreciate a man that makes hard decisions and very, very slow changes him mind. A man that can stand against the onslaught on that has been brought against W would break most men, few could govern at all with such goofiness being puked all over the airwaves and internet.

Oh, btw we haven't been attacked in the homeland since 9/11, Bush hasn't done too badly on the most important of his task.

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I believe the war to uproot the Taliban and al Queda was necessary. I don't think Iraq was based on the things I've studied. Wolfowitz was pushing to invade Iraq under the first Bush Presidency and then H. W. Bush rebuked him for being to radical and ordered then Secretary of Defense, Dick Cheney to re-write the policy papers. I think that our military action in Afghanistan was absolutely called for...however, I'm convinced that Iraq was pushed on us by men with an agenda. While I could be wrong...I firmly believe that once Bush is gone men will come out of the woodwork about how deceptive, secretive, and corrupt this regime has been. And I feel these men will be prominent Republicans who are currently quiet because it would be political suicide to speak out right now.

We'll have to revisit this in a few years. I'm convinced you'll look back at your position here and be amazed that you're lock step behind President Bush.

And bro...radical Islam is bigger right now than it was prior to Bush's invasion of Iraq. As a matter of fact this Administration's policies have united various Islamic factions that used to be at odds in addition to having motivated widespread sympathy and devotion to radical Islam throughout the Middle East and Asia.

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Well I disagree with your first paragraph. I agree somewhat with your second paragraph. As for the third, Democrats have lied but I guess that's different since it wasn't about a war, whatever. A liar is a liar, the man writing the book is a liar then, as he was a part of this lie based war(If this is true). So, yeah he does not have any credibility with intelligent people. But I guess that leaves the Democrats out.

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It's true that a liar is a liar. And all politicians lie. However, I think a lie about an affair doesn't compare to a series of lies that propels a nation into an unnecessary war where thousands of Americans die and over 84,000 Iraqi civilians loose their lives. Not to mention the diplomatic impact of the complete loss of U.S. creditability throughout the world and the creation of unprecedented anti-Americanism that is igniting a virtual "revival" of radical Islam throughout the Middle East and Asia.

Yes...a liar is a liar...but some lies are far worse than others. Let's face it...we're so misguided... we're more upset about a President having a mistress than we are that tens of thousands of civilians have been blown to shreds, over false claims and shaded intelligence. In my mind they don't compare.

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Nope, we can pick and choose our thoughts about life GH. I do care about anyone dying for any country. blah, blah, blah, on U S credibility with the world. We did not ignite radical islam in the last few years, it had started long before that. You cannot blame that on any U S president a Bush or not. You do realize that Mr. Bush is an American right? He has to live here too, do you really think that he is trying to destroy the country he lives in, or that his wife and children live in? Think about it.

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I agree and especially when we were getting the same intelligence information from other country's leaders.

I just wonder what Carolyn thinks of her son's book? lol Lord, she is one loud-mouthed woman. :killinme

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Just logging in a bit. I'll go see what you did this time!!! :killinme

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GH, propaganda has been used to push wars before. This is nothing new.

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I think it's important that we maintain a high degree of creditability. For example let's say Iran gets nukes secretly and we approach the international community about it....will they trust us or will they grill us, wasting precious time? It's like the little boy who cried wolf. I think the majority of nations will second guess us now. And I see that as an issue.

I didn't say we "started" radical Islam. I'm saying that we have ignited it. There are record numbers of Muslims joining radical Islamic groups and many groups who were once at odds are uniting. Some of these groups, like Hamas, have become popular enough with the local Arab peoples that they have won elections to official offices. Even Pakistan's relatively moderate government is facing a rising tide of Anti-American political forces that hold radical Islamic tenants. When the Arab world saw us preemptively invade one of their countries on false pretenses...it ignited a groundswell of Anti-Americanism.

Very bad for us. Things are actually worse now because of Iraq. We're not safer...it's never been more dangerous.

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And I believe what you just posted is propaganda, being pushed by whom I don't know. I don't find it credible.

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We will just have to see how this plays out. Personally, I was quite feed up with being attacked by these fanatics, which began at least as early as the Reagan Administration. Sure, the opposition has come out of the woodwork, but we are not seeing attacks such as the Cole, the Marine barracks, 1993 WTC, or 9/11, so again I am grateful for Bush's leadership in protecting the homeland and our assets around the world. We need statesmen and what we have are politicians, why, because statesmen cannot be elected due to the confusion and deceit by the media's constant drumbeat against anyone that would try to lead in a competent manner.

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Bro...our soldiers are often attacked and bombs are set off quite a bit in Iraq. I strongly recommend you go out to some international news sites and review how often we're attacked. And Nigeria and other African nations where we get a significant amount of our oil has seen far more attacks on local oil operations by terrorists. Things are far hotter now than they were when the Cole was bombed. Where are you getting your info?

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Of course you don't. :toofunny

To me, you sound like you're full of propaganda and blind loyalty to this Administration. lol

Oh well...time will tell...time will tell. I assure you, strong Republicans are going to come forward with the truth when Bush is gone and it's politically safe to do so. You'll be left wondering why you didn't see what I'm trying to tell you.

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I thought you wanted us to be Socialists? She has to be blind to accomplish that, right? lol

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And how do they know that it was "false pretenses?" Because the leftist media in this country has demonized the actions of our government, and the Democrats have picked up the drumbeat for political expedience. And the world plays back our own media and politicos, how stupid can a people be?? Unbelievable. Yet, don't dare call them unpatriotic, that would just be over the line.

I am not in lock step with W, I wish he were even stronger against the fanatics around the world, and I wish he were more conservative financially and stronger on social issues. But I understand that you cannot legislate morality.

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In the same context he praises Bush and says he still respects him. I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that Bush supported the current governor of Texas for re-election instead of his mom who was running as an independent? Just a thought.

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Good question! I don't think she would have won anyway, but it is a good question.

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Give it all time.... ;)

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Well I hate to burst your little bubble, but I am not loyal to any administration or party. But I am also not stupid. No matter which side it comes from propaganda is propaganda.