The righteous will scarcely be saved
 

I'm quite disturb about a situation or rather several and am curious what everyone thinks about the scripture that says "The righteous will scarcely be saved".

Who are the righteous?

If we believe and obey the Apostolic message and walk with God, are we barely going to make it in to heaven? Do we need to live in a state of constant repentance? (I'm not talking about having a repentant heart, but more out of fear)

Does this verse apply to those who are a part of the Bride of Christ?

Preachers, how do you use this verse to your congregation?

Our rightouesness will never save us. CareyM , you could be "Mother Teresa on steriods" and your goodness will not svae you.

ONLY the rightouesness that has been imputed to you thru your belief in Calvarys work of grace, that's the only rightouesness that will sheild you at the the judgment seat.

I am aware of this and have my own opinion about this verse...I'm curious how others use it...so you think the Bride of Christ will go through the judgment?

I know, I hate that verse.

Hahahaha

I don't hate the verse, I just think it's misapplied!

On this forum it would read "the sinners will scarcely be lost.":aaa

Well, I hope you realize that's not at all what I'm implying! :tiphat

Here ya go Carey...lemme help jump start this...

What I have always gathered from hearing it was that the pastor and his family and maybe...MAYBE...a handful of others from your church will actually make it into heaven. :wacko

And 'handful' might be too liberal a number.
:winkgrin

Hahahaha...I know exactly where you are coming from!

I wonder if the other preachers on the forum use this scripture to imply this as well?!

Paul did say to work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

I think the "righteous" in this case does refer to the Church and shows our utter dependence on God for our salvation.

I certainly do not, however there those on this forum that think it is nearly impossible to be lost and even one who has closed Hell down.:tiphat

I do understand this...there is a straight and narrow path and few there be that enter into it.

However, there are pastors who beat up their saints and make them feel like they'll never measure up, that they probably won't be saved.

It means only few, who are the righteous will be saved. Most are not even aware they are commanded to be perfect and so they dont "strive" to enter in. That great multitude on the broad road will find destruction at the end of it.

So, you believe that the Bride of Christ is the "righteous" being spoken of here?

I think this verse is saying if the rightheous will have to overcome things to be saved ,where will the sinner and ungodly appear?
The word scaresly means difficulty.
In a first century setting the believers had alot of persecutions and many difficulties to overcome living under imperial Rome and her form of tyrinical govertment.

Ok, but the question I keep asking that no one seems to want to answer is, is this verse refering to the Bride of Christ?

If the righteous scarecely be saved.
In my opinion, I don't believe in eternal security so that means your walk needs to be a daily walk. Each day one will face an opportunity to sin, to go back, to
get a bitter/wrong spirit.

These are things everyone faces, but one has to have a close, consistent walk with Jesus to be ready when should the trumpet sound or death catches us unawares, that we will be ready.

Remember in the Gospels Jesus spoke of the wise and foolish virgins?
They all had the Holy Ghost (or oil) but some just didn't have enough.

Be filled with the Spirit!

Gotta go to the doctors.

There is no poster here named "Nobody." I answered it when I said:

I think the "righteous" in this case does refer to the Church and shows our utter dependence on God for our salvation.

Sorry for not recognizing your post!

Thank you for your response, although I disagree this verse is talking about the Bride of Christ. I do agree that we must depend on God solely for our salvation.

Hmmm....I understand this verse to mean that the righteous will be judged adn therefore will "scarcely be saved" because they may or may not make it.

I don't believe that the Bride of Christ will be judged.

Is there anyone outside the bride of Christ (the Church) that is righteous?

What about those who went before us...those who we plan to meet in heaven that never had the Holy Ghost...are they righteous? I think so. We've got the Holy Ghost...we are Holy.

Is there anyone within the Church Age (Pentecost to the blessed hope or "rapture") that fits that category? Maybe you're referring to the Old Testament saints, who are not part of the Church. Are they the same "righteous" as Peter was referring to or are they the righteous John was referring to in Revelation (the ones who will be ruled on the new Earth?

Well Chan, I really don't have time to get into all that I believe on this subject. I really wanted to know what others, especially preachers feel about the scripture I asked about, if it applies to the Bride of Christ and how they use it when preaching.

We've always had this scripture hammered down our throats with fear and trembling...I mean if I don't stay on my knees in repentance 24/7, I may not make it. Do all teach it this way? (actually I know they don't, but am curious who does/doesn't)

The righteous are in contrast to the sinner and ungodly. All believers have to be righteous as well as holy. Whoever's works are not perfect will be blotted out of the book of life. Rev. 3:1-5

I have never heard anyone teach you have to be repenting 24/7 to make it in. If you were repenting every day that would mean you commit sin every day. Those who commit sin continually will not be in Heaven.

I agree with the bolded part! I'm glad you feel this way....sadly, not all do.

The Bride of Christ and the church are one in the same who else but the church is considered righteous?

We the Saints are constantly being judged everyday by conviction, and through reading the reflection of God's word (how are you measuring up?) remember the scrupture in Corrinthians where it says for us to examine ourselves before we take communion?

If we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged.

Sis. Carey,

Are you sure you don't believe the Bride will be judged? What is your scriptural basis for that belief? It is appointed unto man once to die and after this the judgement. What about that scripture excludes the bride of Christ?

I agree with what you are saying here...thanks Ron!

Btw...how are you feeling today? What did the doctor have to say?

I have lots of scripture to support why I don't believe the Bride will go through the judgment, but it would take a long time to type it all up and I've got my notes on it packed up already. Maybe once we get moved and settled, I'll post the entire thing...that's if I'm to a fight! LOL

Well, I'm really afraid to get into it tonight...I don't have that much time. As I told Phil Jones, maybe once we get settled after our move I can sit down and post it all.

Because many of the Righteous become self righteous....

This verse makes me think of Noah and his family. Many historians have said that the world was more populated at Noahs time than today. If that is so and only 8 people were saved from the flood that is a scary thought.

I don't repent only when I have sinned. I repent (have a change of mind, change direction) because I want to draw closer to the Lord. It may not necessarily be a sinful act I need to repent over. I may need to change my mind about how much time I spend on the internet and not studying His word, etc.

I think Paul's "I die daily" indicates a repentant heart, desiring to separate more and more from the carnal nature in himself (and us).

The "judgement" in that passage is one that I think refers to the white throne judgement and not the judgement seat of Christ, the latter being only for Christians and is a trying of our works. Those works that survive the fire will be rewarded.

I believe ALL will go through judgment. If you are referring to tribulation, I think we will go through a portion of it.

Why would you think it wouldn't? The Bride of Christ is not exempt from the Word of God.


I agree.

Again, I agree.

It has always been my understanding that because no sin can enter heaven, if you die not having repented for some sin that you won't make it. I practice repenting every night for the things I know I am quilty of, the things others think I am guilty of, and then the things that I've missed;)!

Blessings, Rhoni

Not to mention forgiving others as well.:tiphat

Yep...I need to work on that one, please pray for me. I have limits and after years and years the forgiving gets more difficult. I think, "There is no good reason for this assinine behavior"!

So I hope you good people are praying for Sis. Rhoni...she has been hanging on to the knot in the end of her rope for 6 months now.

blessings, Rhoni