Mens dress standards in the upc church
 

I would like to know where in the bible it states men cannot wear shorts. I will let you know that I myself wear shorts I know all of the scriptures that deal with modesty none tell me that I cannot wear shorts. And on the hair issue with womem how do you classify long hair. woman can have hair to her shoulders and it is long.

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Great questions. These have been covered and recovered and recovered here. For new memebers often they are not sure how to search for topics on here. There is a serach function. But you have asked valid questions.

There is nothing remotely speaking about men and shorts. As you stated modesty is talked about. One persons limits or ceiling on what is modest is another persons beginning or floor on what is modest. A person has to workout their salvation through a realtionship with the Lord and I believe in that communication that He will reveal what He wants. Men and women here are baised on both sides. Listen to the Lord and what he wants.

The length issue is one of the most debated issues on this forum. One persons long is another persons short. I attended church for the first 20 years of my life with a lady and her family. She had not cut or trimmed her hair in anyway since she was 18. She is now in her late 30's. Her hair is to her shoulders, but barely touches as far down as her shoulder blades. People look at her and think she cuts. She doesn't. My wife has hair to the lower part of her back and from time time she trims it. Which is considered long in most people mind? It again is a level or conviction one must work out with the Lord. I have no issues with wear shorts and women cutting hair. I started a thread about me getting some tattoos for goodness sake. I was raised very conservative, but everyone has to come to the point and make limits on what is ok and what is not. Make your choices and stick with them.

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I just feel we have visitors to our church and I have seen women that wear pants I have no problem with this as they are womens pants not mens pants and they show less skin than a skirt. but they come one sunday and then do not come back I know they feel out of place but what can the church do to keep people coming back. I don't care if you walk into church in your pj's you come to worship god and that is all that matters.

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I have seen this many time over the years. My experience is that though they might feel different about the pants issues I am not certain that is the only thing keeping them away. Our churches are losing memebers like you wouldn't believe. I saw stats from Barna Research that Non-Denominal churches are gaining memebers while denominations are losing. I know that my church specifically have lost lots of members. As have others around us. The non-denoms are growing in size and some of them follow oneness teaching except the strict judemental dress code and similar things. Some of the largest churches here are of the oneness background but nothing like a UPC church. Comfort level is key. Even if a church believes certain things are heaven and hell make the church accomodating to visitors and then once they join teach them. I am affraid the big down fall is that people can feel the judgemental spirit looking their way greater than the spirit of God moving.

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I totally agree but somthing has to be making visitors feel this I feel it and I have been in an pentecostal church for a while.

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Did you by any chance think about scanning the forum and see if there werent already 2000 other threads about this same thing before you started beating this horse again?! UGH!!!:club :doh:drama:beatdeadhorse

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AG....read my first post. Advised of the search method. Maybe KWSS didn't know about that.

You offended?

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He's a newbie, AG, let's cut him some slack?

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Sorry MP... just gets well read my last post then I will delete it... it explains to you and JT then I will delete... :)

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I don't do fourms this is acually the first one I have ever posted on so my driving might not be the best.

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K man, maybe my post was a lil harsh... a lil fyi for ya.

At the bottom of the page when you start a new thread. There will be a list of threads after you type in the name of your thread intention... look thru that and it will give you all active threads that are similar. This has been cussed and discussed and rediscussed. I will back off. Sorry. :)

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The beauty of a forum is that it has a life cycle like any other dynamic living document...........and sometimes the old becomes new again, but you have new people posting new things, and it's really not that old after all.

Kind of like a preacher who pastors the same church for 30 years - eventually, you're going to preach the same message at least twice. The difference is that you have new people (hopefully), and the preacher has had new experiences that help him to add freshness.

I am like you sometimes, to be honest, I get tired of the same old standards, steppers, trintarians are going to hell threads, but I must admit, sometimes when they're resurrected, new thoughts emerge.

In any case, I think we should allow our new members some latitude. If it appears that they are here only for a fight, they'll eventually burn out!

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LOL.... K... it took you longer to type that post than it did for me to retract the fangs this time LOL :tease:dance

I am getting better!

Oh and welcome thread starter person with a lotta letters and numbers in your name LOL

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Don't even ask what the Holy Spirit tells me is modest! :tease

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I promise we WONT!!!! LOL :ursofunny:ursofunny

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Men's dress standards in the UPC? What's that?

:tease:whistle

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Their jacket length must be below the buttox?! LOL...

Just guessing??!?!:evilglee

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Most of them that I know wear clothes. :D

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MOST?!!??! Where you been hanging out?! ROFL Nevermind I dont wanna know! Lord I need to go this place is getting weird! :ursofunny:dance

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Girl, I don't know EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!:ursofunny

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ROFL!!!!! Your a nut! Oh well I already knew that and I have to go shopping for 2 wedding showers a baby shower and a birthday so I am gonna go awayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy far far awayyyyyyyyyyy! Have fun and I pray I dont meet any of those who DONT!!!! LOL :ursofunny:dance

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lolrotf!!!!!!!!!!!

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Yup, thats about the only requirement.

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Now there was a MOST there.... Thats kinda scary! Did you not catch that?! That means she knows some that DONT! LOL :friend

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In the book that written by the 13th Apostle called the Ministerial Hanbook...

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True the Bible does not state that a man cannot wear shorts. It does not state that a person can not smoke. It does speak of markings on the body and following the world. Standards are different from church to church. The Bible is clear on one thing. 1 Peter 2:9, But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light.
As a child of God you should stand out from the rest of the world. You should not be as one of them. Does that mean you're not to talk to them? No. Be friends but let your light shine bright for all to see.
1 Peter 5:8, Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.

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Y'all better watch out there is a movement to have men preachers wear linen bonnets. :)

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you get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?

=)

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I think more could be accomplished if the inward man stood out and was reflecting Jesus Christ. Jesus did not look so different from his generation by look but he certainly did by ACTIONS.

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And ATTITUDE!

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Hey man dont pick on me and get it right.................. It wasnt the wrong side of the bed.......... I woke up on the wrong side of my CAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Whew now I feel better! :tease

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When I first read the name of this thread I thought you were going to tell me how long my man skirt had to be to be on the platform preaching.



:ursofunny:ursofunny

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wow your husband really knows how to keep you in line doesn't he
did he throw away the key? if not he may want to.


:ursofunny


this reminds me of a song


The devil is a sly ole fox
If I could catch him I'd put him in a box
I'd lock that box and throw away the key
for all the dirty tricks he's played on me

and I am sure you know the rest


looks like AG's husband caught the devil

:ursofunny:ursofunny

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No he has to let me loose 2 weeks a month to take care of the kids while he is gone to work then he locks me back up LOL

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And we all know, you need the rest!!!!!!!!:tease

:lol :lol

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:ursofunny:ursofunny

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The inward man must stand out. We are to let our light shine for all mankind to see. At the same time as a child of God we are a peculiar people. Not only in the way we worship or believe, but the way we look and act. God did not intend for us to live as close to the edge of the world as we think we can or should.

If I am an Apostolic (oneness) person, yet I dress as the world dresses, how will they know I'm different. Yes, I relize one could say they will know it when you speak to them, but there are times when that never happens. We live in a time when people notice things that are different.

How many times has a person came up to you and ask are you Penecostal? Yes I am. I knew it by the way you were dressed or by your actions. I truely believe that we are to stand out in the world.

When I was growing up in the UPC, standards were preached a lot. Some I agree with others I don't. I do believe that the Lord will direct a person in the way they should go or follow. Just beware.

Matthew 26:41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

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Many years ago, my 1st pastor told me I had to wear a suit.

I explained the only one I had was the one I was born with, did he want me to wear it?

After staring at me about a minute he laughed :crazy and told me to dress the best I could.


I saved for a suit to buy later.

Ron

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Busy making bonnets no time to post today...ha....

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I've heard this tired old argument for years, and I don't buy it. What witness are you really being by just showing someone you dress differently? I've NEVER known of anyone repenting and being filled with the Holy Ghost based on seeing someone who "looks Pentecostal." It is our WORDS and our ACTIONS that are our testimony and our witness. People will only care about our message when they know that we care about them. And they're not going to know we care about them by how we dress. JAXFAM6 made the perfect point when he pointed out that Jesus didn't dress differently than the world around Him. The impact He made was based on what He DID - not what He wore.