Originally Posted by xiangothdude (Post 631546)

Hi everyone, what do you know of goths and/or think of them and the way they dress and their music? I'd like your opinions (I'm evaluating) lol

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 631559)

Goth all the way!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by xiangothdude (Post 631546)

Hi everyone, what do you know of goths and/or think of them and the way they dress and their music? I'd like your opinions (I'm evaluating) lol

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 631559)

Goth all the way!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne (Post 631553)

The only goths I've seen are teens just trying out some independence. LOL!

They don't look like happy people. More like doom and gloom.

And what exactly is that kind of look supposed to represent? What message should it send to others?

I'm interested in other responses to your post.

Originally Posted by xiangothdude (Post 631546)

Hi everyone, what do you know of goths and/or think of them and the way they dress and their music? I'd like your opinions (I'm evaluating) lol

Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 631592)

Dude!

Actually, the only "goth" I can think of is "Abbey" from the show NCIS.

Originally Posted by xiangothdude (Post 631600)

Well lol, teens will be teens and I take it those goths you've seen are "mall goths" (mall goths are the goths you see at malls who look the most silliest and outlandish with their big baggy cargo pants and large ear plugs, they are what the goth scene as a whole "lovingly" dub posuers.

Why are they posuers because they do not grasp or even acknowledge goth or goth's music (ie The Cure, Bauhaus, Siouxsie and the Banshees, for old-school goth and foundational goth sound etc) and go around thinking Marylin Manson is a goth singer......he isn't, far from it.

Your next question, what should the look "represent" It should represent: "I'm a little devil worshipper and I hate God!" No not really lol, sorry I just thought that was funny lol, Well originally back in the late 70's black was worn by goths to be dramatic (it still is used that way) and to be the anti-color the colorful 70's and disco etc. and it was also inspired by the theatrical, and black and white old horror movies (due note, goths like gothic horror (novels) and old horror moves, but not today's slasher flicks and "torture porn" movies. They're just sick and wrong, the whole goth subculture gets is namesake from the gothic romance and horror novels of the 1900's. (Poe, Shelly, Stoker etc).

One more thing of note is that goths dress in black to mourn for society's ills, ways, and wickedness, they recognize (myself included) that our world is not a nice place and its a very wicked and depraved place. They're naturally introspective and ponder the human condition etc. Goths do not obsess or glorify evil, and we do not obsess over death. We recognize that all life and things die, the only question is when? What we do is we realize death is apart of life and we then move on from that, but in noway are goths obsessed over it. (We even self-parody the goth subculture in being sometimes purposely overly dramatic and woeful, all in jest and fun though). Goth humor itself is a mix of irony, satire, dark humor and self-parody and deadpan humor, we like to laugh at ourselves (sometimes for being overly serious at times lol).

Originally Posted by xiangothdude (Post 631600)

Well lol, teens will be teens and I take it those goths you've seen are "mall goths" (mall goths are the goths you see at malls who look the most silliest and outlandish with their big baggy cargo pants and large ear plugs, they are what the goth scene as a whole "lovingly" dub posuers.

Why are they posuers because they do not grasp or even acknowledge goth or goth's music (ie The Cure, Bauhaus, Siouxsie and the Banshees, for old-school goth and foundational goth sound etc) and go around thinking Marylin Manson is a goth singer......he isn't, far from it.

Your next question, what should the look "represent" It should represent: "I'm a little devil worshipper and I hate God!" No not really lol, sorry I just thought that was funny lol, Well originally back in the late 70's black was worn by goths to be dramatic (it still is used that way) and to be the anti-color the colorful 70's and disco etc. and it was also inspired by the theatrical, and black and white old horror movies (due note, goths like gothic horror (novels) and old horror moves, but not today's slasher flicks and "torture porn" movies. They're just sick and wrong, the whole goth subculture gets is namesake from the gothic romance and horror novels of the 1900's. (Poe, Shelly, Stoker etc).

One more thing of note is that goths dress in black to mourn for society's ills, ways, and wickedness, they recognize (myself included) that our world is not a nice place and its a very wicked and depraved place. They're naturally introspective and ponder the human condition etc. Goths do not obsess or glorify evil, and we do not obsess over death. We recognize that all life and things die, the only question is when? What we do is we realize death is apart of life and we then move on from that, but in noway are goths obsessed over it. (We even self-parody the goth subculture in being sometimes purposely overly dramatic and woeful, all in jest and fun though). Goth humor itself is a mix of irony, satire, dark humor and self-parody and deadpan humor, we like to laugh at ourselves (sometimes for being overly serious at times lol).

Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 631592)

Dude!

Actually, the only "goth" I can think of is "Abbey" from the show NCIS.

Originally Posted by xiangothdude (Post 631600)

One more thing of note is that goths dress in black to mourn for society's ills, ways, and wickedness, they recognize (myself included) that our world is not a nice place and its a very wicked and depraved place. They're naturally introspective and ponder the human condition etc. Goths do not obsess or glorify evil, and we do not obsess over death. We recognize that all life and things die, the only question is when? What we do is we realize death is apart of life and we then move on from that, but in noway are goths obsessed over it. (We even self-parody the goth subculture in being sometimes purposely overly dramatic and woeful, all in jest and fun though). Goth humor itself is a mix of irony, satire, dark humor and self-parody and deadpan humor, we like to laugh at ourselves (sometimes for being overly serious at times lol).

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 631749)

Was Johnny Cash a Goth ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfI9B8e9tW4

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 631694)

My next question is how does this benefit us, who are Apostolic Pentecostal?
Why I am asking this question? Because it seems like you are letting us know your beliefs to either make us aware of them, or making an attempt to win converts? I'm not saying the latter is what you are attempting here, but my question is why the thread?

Are you saying that Goth is a religion? A religion that believes in mourning for society's ills, ways, and wickedness? Since you recognize that all life and things die, and realize death is apart of life, what is your view of an after life?

The Rastafarians consider themselves a religion, they as Goths have a look, style, language, and music. Many people copy the look of the Rasta, with the wearing of the dreads, and the colors of the Ethiopian flag, but they do not adhere to the ways of the Rastafari

So, are you saying, that Goth is a religion?

Thank you for your time.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Originally Posted by xiangothdude (Post 631814)

Lol no goth is not a religion in and of itself, just a subculture of people, this is just a standard observational and general outlook held by most goths. That's all, it bears nothing on "religion" (which I'm not), religious that is lol, I'm a Christian, I hate religion.

Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 631944)

There is a couple here, @ NLC, who go to Goth concerts and witness to the attenders. They don't go inside, but they do actively talk to passersby. Here is a pic of them after they spoke to our youth. They love the Lord with all their heart and I would love to have 20 more just like them. You would not believe this guy's story of mental abuse as a school boy. It is a miracle that he is alive. We love he and his wife, Ruthy unconditionally and love the acceptance they receive from the folks @ NLC. I really do love these people. They have received the "cold shoulder" from more than one church for being different. They actually asked "permission" to attend and wondered if it would be all right if Goths got saved to bring them to church! So sad, they even had to ask. I told them, "God forbid that someone would come to church seeking Jesus that looks weird!" :


http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k1...adRuthie-1.jpg

Originally Posted by HappyTown (Post 631947)

That's wonderful. Like that old saying, never judge a book by it's cover!

Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 631952)

You might be a legalist if you judge a book by it's cover!



Oooops, wrong thread! :D

Originally Posted by brodano (Post 631965)

does not the word say be ye seperate come out from among them.. If we are living for the true and living God we are a new creation put off the old man..

Originally Posted by brodano (Post 631965)

does not the word say be ye seperate come out from among them.. If we are living for the true and living God we are a new creation put off the old man..

Originally Posted by HappyTown (Post 631968)

I beleive it has to do with a heart issues, not outward one!

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 631873)

I didn't consider Goth a religion, although it can be classified as being such.
Subcultures take on the aspect of religion, and therefore you can say that a subculture has its own music, language, attire, and behavior. You said yourself that a "Mall Goth" is not an actual Goth. Therefore you just showed us that within your Goth experience that you have separated yourself from those Goths who fit not the pattern that you and your group prescribe.
You called the "Mall Goths" posers, therefore if they are posers then they are hypocrites, a.k.a "poser."

I asked "Since you recognize that all life and things die, and realize death is apart of life, what is your view of an after life?"

Do you believe in speaking in tonngues and the Spirit gives the utterance?
Do you believe in the water baptism in Jesus name?

Do you paint your fingernails black?

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 631975)

Are you saying that in the early Christian church that the European tribesmen would of continued in painting and tattooing themselves after they were baptized into the church? I thought they were to discontinue their paganism?

Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 631944)

There is a couple here, @ NLC, who go to Goth concerts and witness to the attenders. They don't go inside, but they do actively talk to passersby. Here is a pic of them after they spoke to our youth. They love the Lord with all their heart and I would love to have 20 more just like them. You would not believe this guy's story of mental abuse as a school boy. It is a miracle that he is alive. We love he and his wife, Ruthy unconditionally and love the acceptance they receive from the folks @ NLC. I really do love these people. They have received the "cold shoulder" from more than one church for being different. They actually asked "permission" to attend and wondered if it would be all right if Goths got saved to bring them to church! So sad, they even had to ask. I told them, "God forbid that someone would come to church seeking Jesus that looks weird!" :


http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k1...adRuthie-1.jpg

Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 631944)

There is a couple here, @ NLC, who go to Goth concerts and witness to the attenders.

Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 631944)

They don't go inside, but they do actively talk to passersby.

Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 631944)

Here is a pic of them after they spoke to our youth.

Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 631944)

They love the Lord with all their heart and I would love to have 20 more just like them.

Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 631944)

You would not believe this guy's story of mental abuse as a school boy. It is a miracle that he is alive.

Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 631944)

We love he and his wife, Ruthy unconditionally and love the acceptance they receive from the folks @ NLC. I really do love these people.

Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 631944)

They have received the "cold shoulder" from more than one church for being different.

Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 631944)

They actually asked "permission" to attend and wondered if it would be all right if Goths got saved to bring them to church!

Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 631944)

So sad, they even had to ask. I told them, "God forbid that someone would come to church seeking Jesus that looks weird!" :

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 631980)

Originally Posted by HappyTown (Post 631979)

Believe it or not Evang.Benincasa, there are bible verses about nose rings. And you might be surprised by what the bible has to say.The first is in Genesis 24 where Abraham sends a servant to find a wife for his son, Isaac. The second passage is in Ezekiel 16 where God uses highly figurative language to describe how he chose Israel as his own possession.

Genesis 24:21-22
Without saying a word, the man watched her closely to learn whether or not the Lord had made his journey successful. When the camels had finished drinking, the man took out a gold nose ring weighing a beka and two gold bracelets weighing ten shekels.

Ezekiel 16:9-14
I bathed you with water and washed the blood from you and put ointments on you. I clothed you with an embroidered dress and put leather sandals on you. I dressed you in fine linen and covered you with costly garments. I adorned you with jewelry: I put bracelets on your arms and a necklace around your neck, and I put a ring on your nose, earrings on your ears and a beautiful crown on your head. So you were adorned with gold and silver; your clothes were of fine linen and costly fabric and embroidered cloth. Your food was fine flour, honey and olive oil. You became very beautiful and rose to be a queen. And your fame spread among the nations on account of your beauty, because the splendor I had given you made your beauty perfect, declares the Sovereign LORD.

The word , “pierce,” is in fact from a Hebrew word that means, “slash,” or “cut.” The nations around Israel and in the Promised Land where God was sending them had a funeral rite that involved using stones or knives to cut their flesh until it bled. That is what God commanded them not to do. Leviticus 19:28 has nothing to do with jewelry. “Do not cut your bodies for the dead…” The law is against cutting oneself as a means of showing grief or for funeral rites, see also Deuteronomy 14:1; Jeremiah 16:6, 48:37; and Mark 5:5.

Originally Posted by xiangothdude (Post 631978)

Yes I do believe in gift of tongues and other spiritual gifts, and yes I do believe in Water Baptism etc.

Have I painted my nails black? Once, for the first and probably last time a few months ago (to see if it looked good one me, it doesn't lol).

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 631999)

MOW, what doctrine are they presenting to the concert goers? When I was in the world I had Bikers for Jesus witness to me, I thought they needed to 86 the Biker duds if they were going to be Christians. Imagine that, before Christ, before I ever walked into a Apostolic Pentecostal Church, I thought that if you were going to be a Holy Joe, you would at least not only stop cursing, drinking beer, breaking the law, but you would get rid of the outlaw look, and German helmet. Many others who rode with me shared my thoughts on the Biker Christians.




Don't you think it's winning the World with the World? The Biker's for Jesus went to all our gatherings, Daytona, Sturgis, Laconia, and Biketoberfest.
Some individuals said sinner prayers and then I was drinking with them that same night. I saw people I knew on their knees shedding tears, and reciting the sinner's prayer, but later that night they would be sharing a beer with me.
Unchanged, and unmotivated to do anything with their new found religion.

I really began to think that those dudes were doing it more for themselves then doing it for us. They would tell me that Jesus would of been an outlaw if He was walking the earth today. I thought that was smoked, Jesus would of been an outlaw, and selling dope, extorting money from dancers? I started to consider these Bikers for Jesus, a little far removed from the Christ they claimed to represent. Some of those men who shared Jesus were sincere and saw through the other guys who wanted to notch their Bibles by getting their pictures with Bikers who had their heads bowed in prayer.



Is that what it's all about? When I came to the Lord, and shaved my beard (no one told me) and got rid of my earrings (no one told me) put on a suit and pair of shoes instead of my engineer boots. Still, there were those who wanted me to focus on my past, and my tattoos. That world was behind me, and I wanted to keep it that way. I didn't want to be bearded, leather jacketed, boots and chains. I wanted to follow another leader, one who wasn't like those who notched their Bibles every time a tattooed bearded head was bowed in prayer.



I hope you get your wish, and when that happens you will end up looking just like them. I wonder what you will look like in eye shadow and ear plugs?




May the Lord bless him and lead him into all Truth.





Unconditionally? No conditions? Then no one has to be a minister in your church to preach on Sunday. I guess you also share the tithes and offerings with everyone when they first come to church. Your phone must be ringing off the hook with people wanting their lights to be turned on. You must be loaded with individuals wanting their bills paid and rent paid? I understand that you just said the unconditional thing, because you want us to think of you as some ultra-nicer-than-Jesus Preacher.

Hey do you still take tithes and offerings from your people who come to your church?

Funny how there are those who blow off standards, but they never 86 tithes and offerings. Unless they are not a preacher, or should I say the "main" preacher.



Cold shoulder from who? Come on, they should come down to Fort Lauderdale and Miami. They are mild compared to what is strolling into churches down here. They would be able to attend church at Calvary Chapel, and Coral Ridge, any of the Pentecostal churches down here without any kind of problem.




Keep us up to date on all the Goths that these two bing to your church.



The song says "come as you are" not, stay as you is.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com