Who will SHAVE the lost in 2009?
 

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What's wrong with facial hair? The bible doesn't say it is wrong

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To me as long as it's trimmed and neat facial hair is ok,but I don't think it's good just to follow fads though.

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I agree ... The Word seems to command it ... or at least encourage it.
:christmasjig

Seems pretty anti-Apostolic to go against the Word.

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Facial hair is a personal preference,right now though I'm thinking about buying an electric razor.

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Yes it does. Haven't you heard the preaching???

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I have been trying to grow a beard, but can only get one little hair to grow.:D

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There was a group of young preachers that went 40 days without shaving.

Yes, most of them were UPC. I have no idea what that was all about but nonetheless, they all made a pledge not to shave after they had some type of "Round Table" get together.

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I think it's fashionable rebellion.

And we are all looking your way, as long as the Charismatics will allow me to grow facial hair and yet not criticize or make fun of me for my conviction to NOT wear shorts, then consider my membership pending.

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I believe it was from my understanding.

I meant to add that this took place only a few months ago

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Maybe it wasn't a boycott, but a time of fasting or something.

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I think it was some type of vow or something they made "spiritual" however, I was told that there was a message behind it too.

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Where does it command it?

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Lucky you! I have to pluck mine as I don't want to shave!!!

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Wanna share names? Initials?

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No, not on the forum - I'll tell you in a PM

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Oh great - you'll crash our PM system again!

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Everybody wants a PM....ha...

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Wasn't this an attempt to form a new organization or ministerial fellowship called the HBUPCP?

(Hairy Bunch of UPC Preachers)


:christmasjig:christmasjig

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Hey "I" won't criticize your conviction to not wear shorts. :)

There are very few personal convictions that I will take issue with, it is only when they become broad based teachings from an organization (or even within the local church -in which case, I only have issue with THAT church, not the org), that I have a problem.
(I guess there is only ONE "personal conviction" that I have found myself in conflict with...... <drum rolls>, it is wedding rings. Some get greatly offended to see one, but I feel an equal conviction to keep it ON, and find it hard to cowtail to those who feel it is the mark of the beast in their presence.)

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I respect others and their convictions as long as they keep them personal and don't try to judge me by them. I don't judge people by unimportant stuff like jewelry, caffeine, hair length, clothing, nicotine, etc. and I expect them to give me the same respect for my convictions.

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I am still waiting on the scripture that commands no facial hair.

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One Sunday night at our ALJC church, in his Sunday evening message, our pastor stated, "The Bible says that a man is supposed to be clean shaven." I said aloud, "I'd like to know where that is in the Bible." The pastor either didn't hear me or chose to ignore me. My wife grabbed my arm and gave me "that look" (husbands and children know what "that look" is). That was probably in 1978. We never went back.

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My church is ALJC and there are men in our church with facial hair-so they must have wised up.

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You need to check out the story in the Gospels where it tells how Jesus was up late that night washing His disciples' feet and praying and so he had several hours of "stubble" that the Roman soldiers plucked out with the tweezers they carried around in their pockets. That fulfilled Isaiah 50:6.

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WOW , really ? My whole UPC church wears wedding rings... thats some serious ultra con stuff to make wedding rings the mark of the beast.

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I guess if they would have had No Facial Hair churches in those days, I guess Jesus would have not been allowed to get on the platform and do his work.

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That was back 30 years or so.
A couple of the young men had been "sat down" because of facial hair (beards). I was older than those young guys. I had just turned 40 and had resigned my position as sectional youth leader because I was 40. I grew a mustache because I thought that maybe if Bro. Ellis had a mustache, some in the church would think it was acceptable. I guess I was wrong. When I heard the "clean shaven" thing in the sermon I thought "what are we doing? where are we going?" and felt like I could no longer be a part of it.

The man that preached that was a good man. I don't know if he really believed that was in the Bible, or if he was saying it hoping that others would think it was in the Bible, or if he meant that "facial hair" was worldly and therefore contrary to the Bible. I never asked him and we never discussed it. Years later when he became ill I visited him in the hospital and prayed for him and was received cordially by him and his family. I later went to his funeral. I still consider him a good man, a good pastor, and a good preacher. I just don't agree with him on that (and some other issues).

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I dont have any first hand info, but I think I know at least 2 of them. I will post initials , tell me if I'm right. J.G. & M.S.

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Where can this be found on facebook?

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actually M.S. has dropped out of org. but I dont know if J.G. has dropped jet.

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One of them was not J.E.
I'm neither young nor UPC.

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anyone have links?

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Well I think the upc preachers on facebook that you see with facial hair, probably just

realize it is not a sin-there is no special agenda that I have heard of.

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The problem is "rebellion" and "failing to submit/not submitting" is the catch-all which literally turns anything that isn't a sin, into one IF it is preached against.

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If the bible doesn't prohibit something is it a sin ?
If one isn't doing something the bible doesn't condemn in principle are they sinning ?
Do preachers have rights to set standards without biblical backing ?

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Maybe these guys need to invest in one of these.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc4q-6--eDo

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{rolling my eyes}:slaphappy

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That would be a yep and a yep.

Dem CLC folks ... I don't know.