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Digging4Truth 03-11-2009 06:02 PM

Recording Services
 
We are working toward recording the services soon.

It is a small setup with one of those old rectangular 6 or 8 channel boxes that looks more like an old bass amplifier than a mixing board.

So... the mics feed into the box and the sound feeds from there into some nice big speakers.

So... I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on what type of recording device is best to use for recording services.

I once tried a digital recorder but when the preachers got loud it distorted to no end.

Any suggestions or information would be greatly appreciated.

RandyWayne 03-11-2009 06:30 PM

Re: Recording Services
 
For the initial recording the easiest thing to use by far is a PC. It doesn't have to be a good one, just bare bones but with a decent sound card (for input). Save the file as a WAV or direct as a high quality MP3 (256 kbit or higher). From there you can do whatever you want such emailing, hosting on a web site, and keeping multiple copies in the archive -the PC's hard drive as well as regular backups to DVD kept off site.

gloryseeker 03-11-2009 06:47 PM

Re: Recording Services
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 719178)
We are working toward recording the services soon.

It is a small setup with one of those old rectangular 6 or 8 channel boxes that looks more like an old bass amplifier than a mixing board.

So... the mics feed into the box and the sound feeds from there into some nice big speakers.

So... I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on what type of recording device is best to use for recording services.

I once tried a digital recorder but when the preachers got loud it distorted to no end.

Any suggestions or information would be greatly appreciated.

Actually there is this little device (could fit in a shirt pocket) that will plug directly into your sound board. I think think of the name of this device, but it has awesome recording capabilities.

The file actual records to an SD card and then you can upload into your computer. This eliminates the need for a laptop or PC in the sound booth (most churches seem to have limited space).

This device sells for only about $400 and comes with an cool editing software so that you can easily clip out dead spots, blunders, sirens, etc.

If you are interested pm me and I will call the guy who I know uses this thingy.

freeatlast 03-11-2009 07:55 PM

Re: Recording Services
 
We record to PC and then burn as many CD's of the service as we have request for.

Shawn 03-11-2009 08:19 PM

Re: Recording Services
 
There's tons of different ways to go for this. From PC's to standalone units. Even mixers that record directly to Mp3 players/Ipods.

Just depends on how much you want to spend. I have a standalone recorder for recording my stuff but am going back to a computer based system real soon.

If someone there with you is good with a PC it shouldn't be to hard. You can buy software for recording and sound processing but there's all so some free stuff online.


As far as his voice distorting, just make sure the signal on your mixer isn't to hot. trim the gain if necesary.

Compression might help all the way around as well.

Monkeyman 03-11-2009 09:45 PM

Re: Recording Services
 
You already have done most of the work by getting a digital recorder. Pick up 2 things: A Nanoverb & Nanocompressor...very inexpensive. Add these into the effects loop on your amp/mixer (by your description, this is what you have) The verb will tweak and polish your music on the recording and the comp will limit the loud preacher. Send the signal via the "Tape Out" jacks to your recorder so it is line level which will be cleaner than a headphone jack.
There are many types of professional and costly equipment, but for your current gear, this would be the least $!!!

Monkeyman 03-11-2009 09:47 PM

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Alesis nanoverb on ebay.... http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_nkw...romZR40QQ_mdoZ

Monkeyman 03-11-2009 09:49 PM

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http://shop.ebay.com/items/?_nkw=ale...nano&_osacat=0

CC1 03-11-2009 09:52 PM

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Digging,

If you have had a problem with distsortion when recording to CD's you might want to consider that when you are recording a digital signal the signal has to be a lot less than when recording analog. You may have been used to having a VU meter at + dbs but with digital you probably need to be around minus 10-12 db's to avoid distortion.

One of the things every preachers mic needs that doesn't cost a lot but many smaller churches do not have is a compressor on that channel. Even better a compressor, limiter, and gate. A compressor can be had for $100-$100 bucks and a compressor / gate for not much more. It will keep the level more equal and smooth out the contrast between when a preacher is speaking quietly and then screaming as many Pentecostal ones do. It will also limit him from distorting as badly when he is loud.

Praxeas 03-11-2009 10:44 PM

Re: Recording Services
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 719178)
We are working toward recording the services soon.

It is a small setup with one of those old rectangular 6 or 8 channel boxes that looks more like an old bass amplifier than a mixing board.

So... the mics feed into the box and the sound feeds from there into some nice big speakers.

So... I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions on what type of recording device is best to use for recording services.

I once tried a digital recorder but when the preachers got loud it distorted to no end.

Any suggestions or information would be greatly appreciated.

We output to our computer and record it to the hard drive, which is convenient if we need to edit it.

Praxeas 03-11-2009 10:47 PM

Re: Recording Services
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 719184)
For the initial recording the easiest thing to use by far is a PC. It doesn't have to be a good one, just bare bones but with a decent sound card (for input). Save the file as a WAV or direct as a high quality MP3 (256 kbit or higher). From there you can do whatever you want such emailing, hosting on a web site, and keeping multiple copies in the archive -the PC's hard drive as well as regular backups to DVD kept off site.

We use audacity which initially saves in the native format and then when we save we compress it to Mp3

Shawn 03-11-2009 11:38 PM

Re: Recording Services
 
I believe Audactity is free online aswell. But I haven't used it.

Digging4Truth 03-12-2009 08:39 AM

Re: Recording Services
 
Thanks for all the great input...

I had been wondering about the compressor/gate etc but I didn't know what to call it.

I had not considered recording directly to a computer... so I will look into that as well.

Many great angles to look into and I am certainly appreciative of you lending your time & expertise.

Thanks again....

Digging4Truth 03-12-2009 09:18 AM

Re: Recording Services
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Monkeyman (Post 719240)

I just bought one...

Thanks...

Digging4Truth 03-12-2009 09:31 AM

Re: Recording Services
 
Alright..

If I get a laptop to record the services with....

Does anyone have any software suggestions?

What if we went straight to video?

Any suggestions along those lines?

gloryseeker 03-12-2009 11:31 PM

Re: Recording Services
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gloryseeker (Post 719186)
Actually there is this little device (could fit in a shirt pocket) that will plug directly into your sound board. I think think of the name of this device, but it has awesome recording capabilities.

The file actual records to an SD card and then you can upload into your computer. This eliminates the need for a laptop or PC in the sound booth (most churches seem to have limited space).

This device sells for only about $400 and comes with an cool editing software so that you can easily clip out dead spots, blunders, sirens, etc.

If you are interested pm me and I will call the guy who I know uses this thingy.

Here's a link to the gizmo I was talking about:

http://www.rolandus.com/products/pro...x?objectid=757

Praxeas 03-13-2009 12:14 AM

Re: Recording Services
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Shawn (Post 719273)
I believe Audactity is free online aswell. But I haven't used it.

It works fine for recording to PC and yes it is free. You need to download a LAME codec for MP3 conversions

Praxeas 03-13-2009 12:19 AM

Re: Recording Services
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 719366)
Alright..

If I get a laptop to record the services with....

Does anyone have any software suggestions?

What if we went straight to video?

Any suggestions along those lines?

Make sure you have lots of ram. Id prefer a desk top. You might want to get an external HD and then save the file to that since Laptops don't have large Hard drives.

Use Audacity. It is free. I would buy an external sound card for the laptop and connec to that since the sound devices in laptops aren't all that great.

Video recording? Live? Most setups come with a box. Then you can edit by means of any number of software choices, including the freebies that come with Macs and Windows. For cheap but good I like Ulead and Adobe Premiere elements, for more try Adobe premeire full, not elements


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