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Timmy 05-12-2009 01:45 PM

The Top Two Commandments
 
Most of you guys would not support a bill in Congress to make the Ten Commandments law. At least that's how the vote has gone, so far. (See http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=24134) But how about Jesus' famous Top Two?

Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Would these make good laws?

*AQuietPlace* 05-12-2009 01:45 PM

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Most of our laws are based on #2.

Timmy 05-12-2009 01:49 PM

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"Yes" jumps out of the gate, leaving the others in the dust!

MissBrattified 05-12-2009 01:51 PM

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No.

If you love God, you'll keep His commandments. A love for God should be the motivation for obedience. Not fear of reprisal, fines, imprisonment or worse.

Fiyahstarter 05-12-2009 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 748397)
No.

If you love God, you'll keep His commandments. A love for God should be the motivation for obedience. Not fear of reprisal, fines, imprisonment or worse.

:thumbsup

Timmy 05-12-2009 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 748397)
No.

If you love God, you'll keep His commandments. A love for God should be the motivation for obedience. Not fear of reprisal, fines, imprisonment or worse.

Like eternal torment, e.g.? ;)

edjen01 05-12-2009 02:27 PM

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no.

i like to keep my politics separate from my heretics.:)

Pressing-On 05-12-2009 03:00 PM

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Voted - No.

"The doctrines thus delivered we call the revealed or divine law, and they are to be found only in the holy scriptures... [and] are found upon comparison to be really part of the original law of nature. Upon these two foundations, the law of nature and the law of revelation, depend all human laws; that is to say, no human laws should be suffered to contradict these." - Sir William Blackstone

Timmy 05-12-2009 03:09 PM

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Yes, both of them! :IAM
Just "Love the Lord" :bedtime
Just "Love thy neighbour" :bedtime
No :helicopter
Something else (please explain) :bedtime

Timmy 05-12-2009 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 748397)
No.

If you love God, you'll keep His commandments. A love for God should be the motivation for obedience. Not fear of reprisal, fines, imprisonment or worse.

One of which is "you must love God". So, if you love God, you will love God. :thumbsup

edjen01 05-12-2009 04:41 PM

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how can you force/legislate love?

Timmy 05-12-2009 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by edjen01 (Post 748452)
how can you force/legislate love?

Good question, but it is one of God's commandments, right?

Timmy 05-12-2009 04:46 PM

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Another "Yes" showed up!

MissBrattified 05-12-2009 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 748440)
One of which is "you must love God". So, if you love God, you will love God. :thumbsup

The commandment was to love God with all your heart, soul and mind. Just "loving God" seems like simple affection, and the latter seems fervent and passionate. :)

The point of the passage is that all of the commandments can be encompassed into those two--meaning, if you love God with all your heart, and love your neighbor as yourself, you'll naturally fulfill all the other rules (in the law).

MissBrattified 05-12-2009 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 748453)
Good question, but it is one of God's commandments, right?

We still have the option to obey or disobey.

Timmy 05-12-2009 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 748460)
We still have the option to obey or disobey.

Yep, same as with the country's laws.

Fiyahstarter 05-12-2009 10:50 PM

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Timmy,

What must you have been like during the terrible twos??? LOL!

Timmy 05-12-2009 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter (Post 748516)
Timmy,

What must you have been like during the terrible twos??? LOL!

:heeheehee

ManOfWord 05-13-2009 10:33 AM

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You missed it! Jesus said that the first of all commandments was Deut. 6:4. Hear O Israel, the Lord our God the Lord is one! AND you shall love Him with all your heart soul mind and strength......etc. :D

edjen01 05-13-2009 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 748453)
Good question, but it is one of God's commandments, right?

yes....but a command is much different then making something a law.....especially when you mix God & politics.

Timmy 05-13-2009 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by edjen01 (Post 748452)
how can you force/legislate love?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 748453)
Good question, but it is one of God's commandments, right?

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Originally Posted by edjen01 (Post 748654)
yes....but a command is much different then making something a law.....especially when you mix God & politics.

Much different? How is it different at all, other than who is doing the "forcing" or "legislating"? The end result is the same. They both are requirements. They both can be obeyed or disobeyed. They both have consequences for disobeying. OK there's another difference: the consequences are extremely different. In one case, it's a fine or some jail time. In the other, it's eternal torture (unless you are UR). Besides those two differences (who legislates and the severity of punishment), is there anything else that's much different?

Timmy 05-13-2009 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ManOfWord (Post 748652)
You missed it! Jesus said that the first of all commandments was Deut. 6:4. Hear O Israel, the Lord our God the Lord is one! AND you shall love Him with all your heart soul mind and strength......etc. :D

To paraphrase, Thou shalt not be a Trinitarian? :lol

edjen01 05-13-2009 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 748666)
Much different? How is it different at all, other than who is doing the "forcing" or "legislating"? The end result is the same. They both are requirements. They both can be obeyed or disobeyed. They both have consequences for disobeying. OK there's another difference: the consequences are extremely different. In one case, it's a fine or some jail time. In the other, it's eternal torture (unless you are UR). Besides those two differences (who legislates and the severity of punishment), is there anything else that's much different?

Jesus while on planet earth did nothing to promote his Father's kingdom in the political areana....neither did the Apostles. In fact I believe Jesus said that His kingdom would not be of this world...passing earthly laws will not bring about a spiritual result...that time has come and passed.

God does not legistate love...because He first loved us the natural response is to love Him back. The greatest love of all is to lay down your life for a friend...He did this. To understand the context of what Jesus was saying(when He said to love God with everything) you need to look at the question. It is not a question that physical/natural laws can every answer correctly.

I do not love my government or legislators...they do not love me...they are a necessary evil...for them to pass a law mandating me to love...is impossible since a government cannot love/hate and has no capacity for these things.

edjen01 05-13-2009 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 748669)
To paraphrase, Thou shalt not be a Trinitarian? :lol

how so?...trinitarians believe this verse.

Timmy 05-13-2009 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by edjen01 (Post 748703)
how so?...trinitarians believe this verse.

I know. Was just funnin'.

edjen01 05-13-2009 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 748770)
I know. Was just funnin'.

cool...but don't tell T.French or D.Bernard.:)


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