Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 778700)

Thought you'd love this! This is today's White House briefing.

Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 778725)

This is not what I thought this thread was going to be about.:lol

Originally Posted by GrowingPains (Post 778732)

At least Helen is Fair and Balanced. Being critical isn't difficult, if you have integrity. Of course, I'm not sure how well Helen would do answering the questions. She has worn some Presidents down over the years!

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 778747)

MR. GIBBS: Because for $15, you can get an Internet address and say whatever you want.

ie... the days that the media can control the topics of this nations discussion are over.

The People... are so frustrating. They make ruling them difficult

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 778700)

Thought you'd love this! This is today's White House briefing.
MR. GIBBS: Because for $15, you can get an Internet address and say whatever you want.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 778773)

I'm loving this - watching the American people rise up! :thumbsup

Originally Posted by Twisp (Post 778947)

Rise up and get shown for crazies whenever they give national interviews. At least it is entertainment for the rest of us, lol.

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 778967)

The thing you appear to miss is that the ability to rise up and speak and to have an impact on what is on the thoughts & minds of Americans outside the mainstream outlets is powerful, necessary and amazing.

When people are stating ones favorite subjects it is amazing and important.

When people are stating what one sees as senseless... it is NO less amazing and NO less important.

It amazes me how people are so apt to laugh at and ridicule people who pose a thought that they don't agree with.

When you see this priceless medium being used to put forth human thought... ALWAYS... be amazed at it's power and glad for it's presence.

Originally Posted by Twisp (Post 778992)

I agree fully that it is great to have a nation where one can say almost anything freely. However, when one blindly backs something as far away from truth as birthers do, they shouldn't be surprised when a lot of people disagree. And when they continually do it, yes, it does turn to entertainment for the rest of us. They lose their credibility.

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 779001)

As are we are entertainment for the global warming crowd as we continue to blindly back something as far away from truth as we do.

As are the global warming crowd to us for the same reasons.

Isn't it fortunate that in the long list of completely polar positions there are out there... each with an opposing group that blindly backs something so ludicrous as the opinion they hold... that we are right on all of them and they are wrong.

There is only one ilk of thought that I cannot tolerate. That is the notion that we should not tolerate people expressing opinions different from our own. We'd all still be Catholic living by that premise.

Originally Posted by Twisp (Post 779012)

I must have missed the post where someone said we should not tolerate them. I don't recall anyone saying that, or even alluding to that.

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne (Post 778929)

Does Helen Thomas or anyone else have proof of Obama's citizenship, or rather, lack thereof?

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 779001)

There is only one ilk of thought that I cannot tolerate. That is the notion that we should not tolerate people expressing opinions different from our own. We'd all still be Catholic living by that premise.

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 779017)

True... but the basic premise still stands.

The point is that there are absolute polar positions out there on many things and both sides just stand there talking about how crazy the other side is for believing what they believe.

Sometimes the truth is in the middle.

But people take polarizing positions against one another's thoughts and the only thing that doesn't get discovered is real truth.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 779032)

HO,
It's just that I find it interesting that Helen Thomas would be so serious about this line of questioning. Why blurt out that it's not Constitutional?

The reason it interests me concerning Helen is that she is on record for saying that George W. Bush was the worst president she has ever known. Her reason - Because of his Conservative views. She said that she is a Liberal and will die a Liberal. "How can you see so much and not be a Liberal?" she asks. I would have loved for her to elaborate a little more on that point.

So, I find it interesting that she pushes the WH on their secrecy saying they have never seen it at this level as they are seeing it now. She is saying it's against the Constitution to not be American born and she is wanting to know why the issue keeps coming up.

This is very interesting and I wonder what information she may have heard that has caused HER to also doubt the authenticity of Obama being American born.

Again, the point for me is that it's Helen Thomas wondering about it......Hmmmmmmm.......Not a far-right or even middle of the road Conservative in any way, shape or form.

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne (Post 779051)

My problem is that 'everyone is hearing about it', but nobody is providing the proof to refute what's already been presented. I'd feel better if someone other than Coadie would provide proof.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 779058)

I don't know exactly what is going on with this. It would be the demise of the Democratic party to have him exposed as it would expose their motives for allowing him in. Something has felt very wrong from the beginning. His past is all wrong, his history is all wrong, his past and present associations are all wrong.

I'm reluctant to believe his birth certificate is authentic. This is not a conspiracy thread. It is simply putting out curious information about the issue.

Obviously, as Helen Thomas is stating, the issue is not settled for many.

Originally Posted by Twisp (Post 779070)

So you believe that this is a lie? This is from the new thread today. Source article is posted in that thread.

"I ... have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen," Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said in a brief statement. "I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago."

Not being accusatory towards you, I am just asking.

Originally Posted by Twisp (Post 779070)

So you believe that this is a lie? This is from the new thread today. Source article is posted in that thread.

"I ... have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen," Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said in a brief statement. "I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago."

Not being accusatory towards you, I am just asking.

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 779074)

I won't say that I believe it IS a lie.

But let me ask you this. On an issue of this magnitude... Do you think they would lie?

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 779076)

I'm not getting into an argument with you on this. My thread is about Helen Thomas and others, after all the so-called proof, STILL questioning this and I am wondering why, like Helen, does it not go away? Something has not been concretely settled.

They blame the right-wing conspiracy on this, but Helen is a far-left Liberal and is questioning this as well.

Why would she so forcefully say - "It's against the Constitution"?

Originally Posted by Twisp (Post 779091)

Who knows why she would say it so forcefully? Unless there are facts to back it up, however, it means nothing.

I understand not wanting to get into it. The other thread has gotten ridiculous enough as it is.

I think this has not gone away for some people the same way other conspiracy's won't. Some people will always believe we did not land on the moon, some people will always believe the earth is flat, ect. People love conspiracy's, including me. There just has to come a point where you look at all the information available, and admit that he is a natural US citizen.

For all of the threads, blogs and editorials, there has been nothing that a court has deemed relevant to look at, there is nothing that gave the Federal Election Commission pause, and there is nothing that the Republican party has been able to find. This big of a cover-up just could not stay hidden for this long.

Originally Posted by Twisp (Post 779091)

Who knows why she would say it so forcefully? Unless there are facts to back it up, however, it means nothing.

Originally Posted by Twisp (Post 779078)

Do I believe the Hawaiian government would lie? I believe any one person could lie, but I do not believe a lie could stand up for long in this era of information. Especially a lie of this magnitude. I do not believe the entire government of Hawaii would lie, no. One person in it, yes.

Originally Posted by coadie (Post 779107)

That is how we detect baloney.

Hawaaii offers very carefully worded responses
They have offfered several responses that are contradictory
then they hide under the banner that they can't legally respond in any way.

They say they destroyed original documents in 2001 and in 2007 and 2008 they refer to documents they claim to have destroyed by reason of going to electronic media.

If what the State says it is true, then They did NOT send the item to daily Koz. because daily Koz is not the legal document holder.

The fake document has no fold lines. Several p[eople have ordered their B.C.s and they are mailed folded in a letter sized envelope. Fakes and forgeries.

Genuine fakes. REAL counterfeit.

Twisp. Have you ever seen a COLB and touched it that was not real?

There are no named witnesses to the birth. None. Flat earth syndrome for ya twisp?

"the entire governmen would lie"

This is an example of a lie detection tool. There is a dishonest exageration in the word "entire" Then it is reduced to a statement of the rediculous. These are dandy signs when we study people that make up lies.




Including certified dog catchers? amplified and rediculous over generalization.

Keep it up

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 779099)

I don't really have time to stay on the subject today as I have company. They ran down to the beach for a few hours in the sun. Not up for mid-day sun today. I hate being sunburned! lol

Anyway, I'm spending a little time on line while they are gone.

I think it hasn't gone away because of the issues he is pushing with rapidity - push it in, hurry, hurry, hurry, his past and present associations that people think the American people have NOT paid attention to. Just a whole lot of elements that hover over his head. That's why I think it's not going away.

On an aside note - I read a very uplifting article about Utah and it's health insurance program that took TIME to develop and thus far looks like a great plan. Perhaps Obama should look at it.

Reforming Reform the Utah Way
http://townhall.com/columnists/Kathl...tah_way?page=2

I need to post this on one of Esther's Healthcare threads before I log out.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 779058)

I don't know exactly what is going on with this. It would be the demise of the Democratic party to have him exposed as it would expose their motives for allowing him in. Something has felt very wrong from the beginning. His past is all wrong, his history is all wrong, his past and present associations are all wrong.

I'm reluctant to believe his birth certificate is authentic. This is not a conspiracy thread. It is simply putting out curious information about the issue.

Obviously, as Helen Thomas is stating, the issue is not settled for many.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 779076)

I'm not getting into an argument with you on this. My thread is about Helen Thomas and others, after all the so-called proof, STILL questioning this and I am wondering why, like Helen, does it not go away? Something has not been concretely settled.

They blame the right-wing conspiracy on this, but Helen is a far-left Liberal and is questioning this as well.

Why would she so forcefully say - "It's against the Constitution"?

Originally Posted by Twisp (Post 779124)

As I said in a previous post, I think conspiracies that people believe tend to line up with their personal feelings. That is probably why a higher than average number of people on here believe that he is not a citizen.

I have no idea why Helen Thomas brought it up. Unless she has some type of evidence that we do not however, it is of little consequence. In light of all the information from both sides of the discussion, it leans much more heavily on him being a natural US citizen, with that being verified by the State of Hawaii again.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 779134)

I don't know either - perhaps they want to push the issue until it can't be pushed any further. The fact remains, it's an unsettled issue - no matter what has been said.