How easy is it to Lose Salvation?
 

What do you believe?

Eternal Security, or Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God?

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If it were a continuum --- and ES is a 1, on the left, and SITHAG is a 10 on the right. I'd say... a 2!

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:popcorn2

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I believe only God knows our hearts and the condition of our souls. But I know sin separates us from God.

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Jonathan Edwards believed and taught Unconditional Eternal Security.

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Hi delta, who is Jonathan Edwards?

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:thumbsup

I'd rather be a native in the deep dark jungles that has never heard of Jesus than a child of God that is separated from Him by sin.

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How easy is it for your son or daughter, (if you have one) to be cast out of your family? I think it's harder to lose your salvation than some preachers and organizations believe it to be.

Cindy, you posted "sin separates us from God" and I believe that. But how many sins, which sins, and how quick does He separate us or cut us off? When does our Advocate stop working for us?

I'm glad I'm not God!

Been Thinkin

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Do you have sin? Do you sin? Today? Last night?

When God looks at us, does he see our sin, or Christ's blood?

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Great point.

JE was (over) correcting the ship --- stirring up Christians, similar to what Paul probably did to the Corinthians.

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I believe it would be unrepented sin.

And it doesn't mean you can do something knowing that you can make it okay by repenting later.

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I'm amazed (at even myself) how we always have to make sure everyone knows you aren't saying they should sin!

But that's how strong our Grace message should be. Instead of the qualification, we ought to rest on that for awhile. Grace received authentically doesn't even really need such an obvious disclaimer. I don't want to waste such a precious gift.

RG -- unrepented, as in you didn't put it on your prayer list that night? Or as in a whole life staying on course, heart turned toward God?

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Excellent point!

There is none righteous. No, not one.

This idea that our works justify us is the biggest hindrance to real faith.

If it takes perfection, we are in big trouble.

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As in - whole life staying on course, heart-turned toward God repentent.

Not, God, "if" I sinned today, please forgive me.

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I believe it is possible to die even with "unrepented" sin, and still be saved.

It is much easier to be saved than we were taught, and much harder to lose it.

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I totally agree with you MrMasterMind! I guess that's why you're called MrMasterMind! And with the "if" I sinned prayer, I think that is still a good prayer for you could have sinned today with a "sin of omission" and really not be aware of it. Or maybe, if you don't know about it it's not sin! j/k

Been Thinkin

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Perhaps.

However, I know it's a sin to commit adultery - if I engaged in adultery and didn't repent of it and change my life, I feel I would not be saved.

I don't feel that God has commandments to follow and would allow those to be committed and then still go to heaven.

The grace would be shown to me when I repented of committing adultery after knowing better.

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If you die right after and have not had a chance to repent?

Would you automatically be out of covenant and therefore lost?

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Gotcha.

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:hanky

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A couple of scriptural examples come to mind that make me dis-believe in eternal security.

Demas

No man having put his hand to the plow....

Lest I myself should be a castaway.

Sounds like Paul thought you could "lose" salvation.

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That's when I have to plead "the mysteries of God" - - I don't know.

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The grace is ever present. Where sin abounds, grace does even more abound.

Living life as an adulterer may mean you begin live life unbelieving to the point of unbelief -- which is putting you outside of Christ (Heb 10:13), but again, though many of us don't fully, what we do know of grace is that He's not a gotcha God, He loves us, did the work and is faithful until the end.

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Gotta go for a few hours, will start a thread on it later.

Love ya Ren, stay warm.

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I've heard of "Sea of forgetfulness" but I cant find that term anywhere in the Bible...another example against eternal security ive heard is the servant that was forgiven his debt but didnt forgive his fellowservent his debt...the first servants debt was reapplied.I'm not sure if the clincher was unforgiveness though you know?Like maybe thats the only way you sins are brought back is if you are unforgiving towards someone else....hmmmmmm

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Straw men. No one so far as propagated Eternal Security.

I've heralded Just-About-Eternal Security

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Well, I'm glad you cleared that up!:icecream

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You still working on that ice cream?

Learn how to take care of ice cream! Sheesh... :icecream

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Is that a false dilemma?

Neither.

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It definitely is!

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Another excellent thought!

I wonder how many times we sin unknowingly? How many times we offend God without even realizing it?

Grace = unmerited favor.

That is no license to sin. In fact, His grace should produce a spirit of gratitude in us, and a love so strong that we want to please Him instead of pleasing ourselves.

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GraceFULL people are exhorted to "be who you are."

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If you live in terror, worrying about Hell, even though you're a Christian, what's the use?

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Does it depend what sin it is? Like could one be unrepentant about molesting and still be saved?

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The emotional trigger.

I think it'd surprise us how God sees molesters and us in comparison. We'd probably hate the nasty similarities.

Unrepented molesters... not sure molesting "just happens." One has turned away from living for God and they've been living for themselves for awhile. But still, we speculate.

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He sees His children through the blood of his Son, Jesus Christ. But we cannot live in sin and walk with a Holy God. Sin is an anathema to him.

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But, by His grace and mercy he reconciles us to Himself.

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I agree. I also think it's anathema to a child that's His.

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Yes

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Isn't most all sin is living for themselves?