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Originally Posted by Jay (Post 1123339)

Mom, Dad, and I love e-sword, and everything that we can do with it. I have found it very convenient to have Thayer and Strong's on my computer. It allows me to instantly check a word in the Greek against the English translations. I have used this when I have preached and needed to have a word in the English explained via the Greek. the differences between words that were translated into the same word in English can be very informative.

Not exactly

Jn 10:30

Joh 10:30 I and the Father are one."
Both Thayers and Strongs say "one" there is Heis when in fact it's the neuter Hen.

See Strongs was never an exhastive lexicon...it's an exhaustive concordance

Thayers too is a little deceptive. Thayers was originally a lexicon. Someone took all the definitions Thayers listed and eliminated the rest of the Lexicon material to give you "Thayers Greek Definition"

Even that is often deceptive because really what most of these do, like Strongs, is list how the word was translated in the KJV but not why it was translated that way or what the real meaning behind the translation is. Many people get ahold of Strongs and assume they can pick and choose which word to use.

Here is my Zodhaites "WordStudy" from Esword I bought...notice how it differs

Strongs:
hice
(Including the neuter [etc.] ἕν hen); a primary numeral; one: - a (-n, -ny, certain), + abundantly, man, one (another), only, other, some. See also G1527, G3367, G3391, G3762.

WordStudy:
heís; fem. mía, neut. hén; gen. masc. henós, fem. miás (G3391), neut. henós. One, the first cardinal numeral.

(I) Without the subst. (Luk_18:19, "No one is good except one, God" [a.t.]; 1Co_9:24; Gal_3:20). In Mat_25:15, "to one he gave five talents, to the one two, to the other one [omitting the subst. talent repeated]" (a.t.). With a subst. (Mat_5:41, "one mile" [a.t.]; Mat_6:27, "one cubit"; Mar_10:8, the two into one flesh; Joh_11:50; Act_17:26; 1Co_10:8. With a neg., equivalent to not one, none (Mat_5:18, "one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass"; Rom_3:12, "not so much as one" [a.t.], not even one, quoted from Psa_14:3; Psa_53:4; Sept.: Jdg_4:16 [cf. Exo_9:7]). The expression oudé (G3761), nor, followed by heís in the masc. or in the neut. oudé hén, not one, not even one, more emphatic than oudeís (G3762), not even one. See Mat_27:14; Joh_1:3; Act_4:32; Rom_3:10; 1Co_6:5. With the art. ho heís, masc., and tó hén, neut., the one (Mat_25:18, Mat_25:24; 1Co_10:17).

(II) Used distributively:
(A) Heís / heís, one / one, i.e., one / the other (Mat_20:21; Mat_24:41; Mat_27:38; Joh_20:12), fem. mía / mía. Also with the art. ho heís / ho heís, the one / the other (Mat_24:40). In 1Th_5:11, heís tón héna, one another. In 1Co_4:6, heís hupér (G5228), above, toú henós, the one above the other. In Mat_17:4, mían / mían / mían, one tent for each of the three, Jesus, Moses, and Elijah. See Mar_4:8; Luk_9:33; Sept.: Lev_12:8; 1Sa_10:3; 1Sa_13:17-18; 2Ch_3:17. With the art. ho heís / ho héteros, the one / the other (Mat_6:24; Luk_7:41; Act_23:6). In Rev_17:10, ho heís / ho állos (G243), other, the one / the other.

(B) Heís hékastos (G1538), each one, every one (Act_2:6; Act_20:31; Col_4:6). Followed by the gen. partitively (Luk_4:40; Act_2:3; Eph_4:7). In Rev_21:21, aná (G303), on, upon, heís hékastos means each one of the gates. See aná (G303, II).

(C) The expression kath’ héna or kath’ hén, one by one, singly (Joh_21:25; 1Co_14:31). In Eph_5:33, hoi kath’ héna, every one of you. In Act_21:19, kath’ hén hékaston, each one singly, where kath’ hén here qualifies hékaston, each one. The expression hén kath’ hén, one by one, one after another, singly (Rev_4:8, UBS). The expression heís kath’ heís, one by one, is irregularly used in the NT for heís kath’ héna (Mar_14:19; Joh_8:9). In Rom_12:5, ho dé kath’ heís, and every one.

(III) Emphatic, one, i.e.:
(A) Even one, one single, only one (Mat_5:36; Mat_21:24; Mar_8:14; Mar_10:21; Mar_12:6; Joh_7:21; 1Co_10:17; 2Pe_3:8). The expression apó (G575), from, miás in Luk_14:18 means with one accord or voice. In the sense of only, alone (Mar_2:7; Jam_4:12). In Joh_20:7, "in only one place" (a.t.).

(B) One and the same (Rom_3:30; 1Co_3:8; Gal_3:28; Phi_2:2; Heb_2:11; Rev_17:13; Sept.: Gen_41:25-26). Fully written, hén kaí tó autó (1Co_11:5; 1Co_12:11).

(IV) Indefinitely meaning one, someone, someone, the same as tis (G5100), someone (Mat_19:16). With the subst. (Mat_8:19, "a . . . scribe"; Mar_12:42, "a . . . widow"; Joh_6:9; Rom_9:10). Followed by the gen. partitive, one of many (Luk_5:3; Luk_20:1; Sept.: Gen_22:2; Gen_27:45; Gen_42:16). Heís tis, a certain one (Mar_14:51, "a certain young man," followed by the gen. [see Mar_14:47]). Followed by ek (G1537), of, from (Luk_22:50; Joh_11:49). In this use, heís sometimes has the force of our indef. art. "a" or "an" as in Mat_21:19, "a fig tree"; Jam_4:13, "a year"; Rev_8:13; Rev_9:13; Sept.: Ezr_4:8; Dan_2:31; Dan_8:3.

(V) As an ordinal, the first, mostly spoken of the first day of the week as in Mat_28:1 where the noun hēméra (G2250), day, is understood. See Mar_16:2; Luk_24:1; Act_20:7; 1Co_16:2. In the Sept. used for the first of the month (Gen_1:5; Gen_8:13; Exo_40:2, Exo_40:17). In Rev_9:12, the "one" means the first.

Even that does not address how Hen is used and the fact that it is Hen in that verse. With Logos I can see that the word is Neuter "Hen".

And here is a better Lexicon than the above, more expensive too I might add

εἷς, μία, ἕν, gen. ἑνός, μιᾶς, ἑνός a numerical term, ‘one’ (Hom.+)
① a single pers. or thing, with focus on quantitative aspect, one
ⓐ in contrast to more than one
α. adj. μίλιον ἕν Mt 5:41; cp. 20:12; 25:15, 24; Ac 21:7; 28:13; 2 Pt 3:8. Opp. πάντες Ro 5:12 (εἷς ἄνθρωπος as Hippocr., Ep. 11, 2 [IX p. 326]; SHanson, Unity of the Church in the NT, ’46, 65–73 [lit.]). Opp. the nation J 11:50; 18:14 (cp. Oenom. in Eus., PE 5, 25, 5 μεῖον εἶναι ἕνα ἀντι πάντων πεσεῖν τὸν βασιλέα=it is a lesser evil when one, instead of all the citizens, falls, namely, the king).
β. noun, Lk 23:16 (17) v.l. w. partitive gen. (Diod S 1, 91, 5 αὐτῶν εἷς; Jos., Vi. 204; Just., A I, 1, 1 al.) Mt 5:19; 6:29; 18:6; Mk 9:42; Lk 12:27; 15:21 v.l.; 17:2, 22; 23:39; J 19:34 or w. ἐκ (Maximus Tyr. 1, 6 ab ἐκ πολλῶν εἷς; Lucian, Somn. 9; Jos., Bell. 7, 47) Mt 18:12; 22:35; 26:21; Mk 14:18; J 1:40; 6:8; Ac 11:28 al. ὁ εἷς τῶν δώδεκα one of the twelve Mk 14:10 is a peculiar expr. (cp. BGU 1145, 25 [18 B.C.] ὁ εἷς αὐτῶν Ταυρῖνος; UPZ 161, 50; 54; PTebt 138; 357, 10).
ⓑ in contrast to the parts, of which a whole is made up (Theophr. in Apollon. Paradox. 16 τὰ πολλὰ ἓν γίγνεσθαι; Stephan. Byz. s.v. Ὠκεανός: γίγνεται ἐκ δύο εἰς ἕν; Just., D. 103, 5 ἐξ ἀμφοτέρων … ἓν ὄνομα). ἔσονται οἱ δύο εἰς σάρκα μίαν Mt 19:5; Mk 10:8; 1 Cor 6:16 (all three Gen 2:24). οἱ πολλοὶ ἓν σῶμά ἐσμεν we, though many, form one body Ro 12:5; cp. 1 Cor 12:12, 20; Eph 2:15. πάντες εἷς ἐστε you are all one Gal 3:28. ἕν εἰσιν 1 Cor 3:8; cp. J 10:30; 17:11, 21–23 (cp. 1QS 5, 2; Just., D. 42, 3 ἓν ὄντες πρᾶγμα). Also εἰς τὸ ἕν 1J 5:8 (Appian, Iber. 66 §280 ἐς ἕν=together, as a unity). εἰς ἕν J 11:52 (cp. 1QS 5, 7). ὁ ποιήσας τὰ ἀμφότερα ἕν who has united the two divisions Eph 2:14.—MAppold, The Oneness Motif (John) ’76.
ⓒ w. negative foll. εἷς … οὐ (μή), stronger than οὐδείς (Aristoph., Eccl. 153, Thesm. 549; X., An. 5, 6, 12; Demosth. 30, 33 ἡ γυνὴ μίαν ἡμέραν οὐκ ἐχήρευσεν; Dionys. Hal., Comp. Verb. 18) ἓν ἐξ αὐτῶν οὐ πεσεῖται not one of them will fall Mt 10:29 (Lucian, Herm. 28 ἓν ἐξ ἁπάντων); cp. 5:18; Mk 8:14; Lk 11:46; 12:6. The neg. rarely comes first Mt 5:36.
② a single entity, with focus on uniformity or quality, one
ⓐ one and the same (Pind., N. 6, 1 ἓν ἀνδρῶν, ἓν θεῶν γένος· ἐκ μιᾶς δὲ πνέομεν ἀμφότεροι; Dio Chrys. 19 [36], 6; Maximus Tyr. 19, 4a; cp. OGI 383, 59 [I B.C., the ruler’s statue is to be made of the type of stone used for statues of the gods]; Gen 11:1; 40:5; Lev 22:28; Wsd 7:6; Ar. 13, 5 μία φύσις τῶν θεῶν) ἐν ἑνὶ οἴκῳ in one and the same house Lk 12:52 (Diod S 14, 43, 1 ἐν ἑνὶ τόπω). Expressing unanimity ἐν ἑνὶ στόματι p 292 w. one voice Ro 15:6; τοῦ ἑνὸς ἄρτου one and the same loaf 1 Cor 10:17; εἷς ὁ θεός one and the same God (Amphitheos of Heracleia: 431 Fgm. 1b Jac. Διόνυσος κ. Σαβάζιος εἷς ἐστι θεός; difft. Ath. 10, 2 ἑνὸς ὄντος τοῦ πατρὸς καὶ τοῦ υἱοῦ) Ro 3:30; cp. 9:10; 1 Cor 6:16f; 12:9, 13. εἷς κύριος, μία πίστις, ἓν βάπτισμα· εἷς θεός κτλ. (cp. the three genders of εἷς consecutively in Simonides 97 Diehl2 ἓν πέλαγος, μία ναῦς, εἷς τάφος [of shipwrecked pers.]; Just., D. 63, 5 μιᾷ ψυχῇ … συναγωγῇ … ἐκκλησίᾳ) Eph 4:5f (NJklA 35, 1915, 224ff. The repetition of εἷς is like Herm. Wr. 11, 11; Epict. 3, 24, 10ff).—Rv 9:13; 18:8; Ac 17:26. ἐν ἑνὶ πνεύματι, μιᾷ ψυχῇ Phil 1:27; cp. Ac 4:32 (cp. Aristot., EN 9, 8, 2; Plut., Mor. 478c). τὸ ἓν φρονεῖν be of one mind Phil 2:2. συνάγειν εἰς ἕν unite, bring together (Pla., Phileb. 23e; Dionys. Hal. 2, 45, 3 συνάξειν εἰς ἓν τὰ ἔθνη; POxy 1411, 3 τῶν δημοσίων εἰς ἓν συναχθέντων; TestJob 28:5 τὰ χρήματα ἐὰν συναχθῇ εἰς ἓν ἐπὶ τὸ αὐτό ‘if all [our] valuables were brought together at one place’; Jos., Bell. 3, 518) J 11:52. τὸ ἓν καὶ τὸ αὐτό one and the same 1 Cor 12:11 (cp. Diod S 11, 47, 3; 17, 104, 6; Epict. 1, 11, 28; 1, 19, 15; Just., D. 123, 1 ἑνὸς καὶ τοῦ αὐτοῦ … νόμου); cp. ἓν καὶ αὐτό τινι 11:5.—εἰς ἕνα τόπον in a place by itself (Jos., Ant. 6, 125) J 20:7.....edited out about 10000 characters....

Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., & Bauer, W. (2000). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature (3rd ed.) (291–293). Chicago: University of Chicago Press.

That's pretty exhaustive and hard to read.

This resource let's me know the word is Neuter "Hen"

ἐγὼ (LN: 92.1; pronoun, personal, first person, nominative, singular)
I
Contained in: Sentence
Syntactic Force: Personal pronoun functioning as Subject.

Words That Modify ἐγὼ
• conjunctive relation: The word ἐγὼ is modified by καὶ (conjunction) in Jn 10:30, word 2 (καὶ is within the current clausal unit, after ἐγὼ).
• adjectival relation: The word ἐγὼ is modified by ἕν (adjective) in Jn 10:30, word 5 (ἕν is within the current clausal unit, after ἐγὼ).

καὶ (LN: 89.92; conjunction, logical, connective)
and
Contained in: Sentence
Syntactic Force: Copulative conjunction

Words Modified by καὶ
• conjunctive relation: The word καὶ modifies ἐγὼ (pronoun) in Jn 10:30, word 1 (ἐγὼ is within the current clausal unit, before καὶ).
• conjunctive relation: The word καὶ modifies πατὴρ (noun) in Jn 10:30, word 4 (πατὴρ is within the current clausal unit, after καὶ).

ὁ (LN: 92.24; article, nominative, singular, masculine)
the
Contained in: Sentence
Syntactic Force: Attributive article

Words Modified by ὁ
• articular relation: The word ὁ modifies πατὴρ (noun) in Jn 10:30, word 4 (πατὴρ is within the current clausal unit, after ὁ).

πατὴρ (LN: 12.12; noun, nominative, singular, masculine)
father
Contained in: Sentence
Syntactic Force: Subject

ἕν (LN: 60.10; adjective, nominative, singular, neuter)
one
Contained in: Sentence
Syntactic Force: This word functions as Cardinal (number) adjective and Numberical adjective and Predicate adjective.

Words Modified by ἕν
• adjectival relation: The word ἕν modifies ἐγὼ (pronoun) in Jn 10:30, word 1 (ἐγὼ is within the current clausal unit, before ἕν).
• adjectival relation: The word ἕν modifies πατὴρ (noun) in Jn 10:30, word 4 (πατὴρ is within the current clausal unit, before ἕν).
Lukaszewski, A. L., Dubis, M., & Blakley, J. T. (2010; 2010). The Lexham Syntactic Greek New Testament: Expansions and Annotations (Jn 10:30). Logos Research Systems, Inc.

But you can use Esword to do the same thing by looking at the Greek words for One, the gender, then check it out in one of the greek texts you can get for Esword