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is using Creator, Redeemer, and Sustainer better than using Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in order to address feminist theologians concern of patriarchy and male bias by referring to God as male?

"God's activity in creating, in redeeming, and in sustaining is subversive of concepts of domination and subordination that have characterized theological reflection on the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit."

quote from "Lift Every Voice, Constructing Christian Theologies from the Underside.

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No

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If they do not like the titles that God gave Himself they should ask Him to change them Himself because we as mankind have no business trying to correct God!

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No

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NO!!! I'm not even sure there should be feminist theologians (from Paul's letters in the NT)

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"The New Testament and Psalms is a new version of the Bible that speaks more directly than ever before to today's social concerns, especially the move towards universal inclusivity. This revolutionary new version pushes the English language to new levels of inclusive expression. The noted scholars who produced this work address issues of gender, race and ethnicity more directly than ever before. The resulting version is one that can truly be said to speak to all people."

http://www.amazon.com/The-New-Testam...alms+inclusive

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When you need more than the Death, Burial, and Resurrection to speak to people, you're saying the wrong things.

When you won't submit yourself to Jesus Christ while seeing Him crucified for your sins, but you will submit yourself to a mental image you construct based on the gender of your preference, you are practicing idolatry.

I can't believe this is a topic that is seriously being presented as a legitimate Gospel.

Galatians 1:6-8 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Galatians 1:9-10 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

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no one is changing the message of the gospel only the names we call God. do you really think that God is a male? Isn't the word creator more apt at describing God than Father? did christ have to be a male? do women need a male savior? can't son be called redeemer and be less offensive to gender sensitive women while preserving an apt description of the son's role? i think this language makes sense.

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No, no, yes, no, no!!

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Why do you think WE can change God's name? Gender sensitive women? Can we change God?

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God gave Himself the title FATHER therefore to say that is wrong or that it is in need of change is to say that God was wrong and that HE needs improvement!!!

If you have the ability to change HIS name so as to be more inclusive what about those who want to be more inclusive of Islam by saying when we witness to them we use the term allah instead of God do we accommodate them as well by changeing HIS name?

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God is who HE is, and HE will NEVER change. So, I take it you want a God that fits into your little world view, DM?

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no one is changing god's name. he is the creator. so calling him creator instead of father is not a great leap. and this is not a "little world view", this is from mainstream christianity.

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i believe allah is the word for god in arabic, so even christian bibles would have the word allah in them.

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1. Yes, I believe that Jesus Christ is God and that He is male. I see nowhere in Scripture to suggest otherwise.

2. Both of the words "Creator" and "Father" are equally apt to describing God. They are both roles that He plays in our lives. To minimize "Father" is to allow bias (I'm assuming political) to influence how you want to present God to the world.

3. Christ WAS and IS male. We don't have to assume or speculate as to why.

4. Women need God to save them, and He happened to take upon Himself the form of a servant, come in the likeness of man, and die on a cross for the sins of all men and women. There is salvation in no other name than Jesus, so yes, they need a male savior as Jesus is the only one.

5. Why not try to present as much of Jesus as you can instead of trying to be politically correct?

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I know a lot of pagans through a particular network I am connected with, and a lot of the women have turned towards paganism because of their association of "patriarchal" Christian and Judaic brief systems with abuse of various kinds. There is a lot of language by my pagan acquaintances and friends that refers to mother instead of father when referring to God. It seems to me that rather than translating the bible to accomodate these belief systems and make it palatable to those who dislike the male references, the focus should be on addressing the types of abuse that brought about the shift in the first place, ensuring that as Christians we don't perpetuate the same kinds of abuse (nor tolerate it) and pray for these women to have an intimate relationship with Jesus, just like the woman at the well, and the woman caught in adultery, and any woman who has ever experienced the depths of His loving kindness. Then the healing will enable them to view the male Jesus and the father God in the light of this love.

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The word allah is not the Arabic word for God that is name of their FALSE god!!! If any Bible used the word for God it would cease to be a Christian Bible and rather be an abomination!

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Broken down, Al is Arabic for "the" and Ilah is Arabic for "god." Put together, the 2 words become "Allah."

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what is the word for god in arabic christian bibles genius?

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/allah.html

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i don't think deemphasizing father diminishes the gospel in any way while at the same time can remove barriers to women that have issues with patriarchy.

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Imho, it's messing with gender identity and it seems to me like a big deal. If I was a guy called Neil and someone decided to change my name to Nancy in my biography so as not to offend those who don't think much of guys...I think it would be a big deal.

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If you change the word Father to something else then you ARE changing the very words penned by the Apostles and other authors inspired by God.

If Creator is more apt than Father then why did they use the Greek word for Father?

Christ was male. Get over it.

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thanks for your comments jen but using creator is not changing gender, it is gender neutral and it is a biblical title of god, not a new title.

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paul was a male chauvinist. the historical context of the scripture is male dominated patriarchy and not relevant to modern ideas of equality. all women should be wearing veils if what you say is true. come to grips with reality.

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If God did rewrite the Bible, how would you know?

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DM, are you seriously saying you believe this?

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Using any word other than what the authors intended is perverting scriptures

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Paul was not a male chauvinist. He was a Hebrew, a Jew, who lived in the first century.

It was cultural that women wore veils long before Paul was born.

He was no more a male chauvinist for using "Father" instead of "Creator" than Jesus was or Peter

God Himself identified Himself as Father!

2Sa 7:14 I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son. When he commits iniquity, I will discipline him with the rod of men, with the stripes of the sons of men,

All Jews considered God their "Father". ALL Jews did. Male or Female. They did not have personal issues over it like you do or today's psychologically weak generation.

You aren't helping anyone by bowing to a small shrill minority that hate God

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In the arabic bible it would have the Arabic word for Father and Son in them too

You confuse translations with Perversions

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i'm trying to convince myself of this. i have 2 books on women in the bible i haven't read yet. if it is not true then you have to explain paul's words. "i suffer not a woman to teach or have authority over a man, let them learn in silence and ask their husbands at home". what does that mean?

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DM you have the same issue most Christians have, a lack of knowledge of biblical hermeneutics.

When you study the word you have to consider many factors including

Grammer
Context
Author
Audience
When
Where
Idioms

When you do you find out why we are not required to greet each other with a kiss when Paul said to greet each other with a kiss

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don't confuse topics. paul said all women should wear veils. was that the "inspired" word of god or a fallible verse of scripture from paul speaking from a "cultural context"?

i am not saying that paul is a chauvinist for using father, that is a separate issue. i am saying that paul is a chauvinist for saying that women should keep silent in the church, should not have authority over men, and should learn in silence and ask their husbands when they get home. is that the inspired word from god or paul speaking humanly from a cultural context?

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so what is the correct interpretation then genius?

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I didn't confuse a topic. Don't brush off my answer
and pretend I did not answer you

No that is NOT a separate issue. THAT is the topic.

I addresses why Paul said that about women. You dijdn't like it for some reason

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Don't get offended. Learn. Get some books on hermeneutics. Get some on figures of speech and idioms.

BTW I already gave you what you need to figure it out. Do you greet your brothers and sisters in Christ with a kiss

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my wife....she is my sister in Christ :nahnah

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Give the other sisters and brothers a nice wet one on the cheek

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Nope we don't do that unless the sister is old enough to be my mother and or granny. :bigbaby

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Don't even think about it!!!!!! :smack

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you can't have it both ways. you said the bible was the inspired word of God then you said Paul was a first century jew and that wearing veils was cultural before paul. so which is it inspired or cultural?

you did not address women keeping silent in the churches and not having authority over men. check your posts. i just did. is that inspired or chauvinistic cultural context? if not was it the correct hermeneutics?