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pilgram 11-14-2013 10:52 PM

Is Christmas even Christian?
 
No it isn't.

If you ever wonder where the controversy comes from and what God really thinks of our "holi-days" check the website www.ChristmasIsALie.com, then go to YouTube and put ChristmasIsALie in the search box then click on the video tab for a bunch of video's that will give you scripture for how seriously God looks at our practices. Very informative and enlightening for the truth seekers out there and I GUARANTEE a closer walk with Him after some viewing and serious and prayerful Bible reading. Happy Holi-day's ; )

houston 11-14-2013 11:15 PM

What is a pilgram?

pilgram 11-14-2013 11:20 PM

Re: Is Christmas even Christian?
 
Great place to start:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db7TaNQNJAI

pilgram 11-14-2013 11:23 PM

Re: Is Christmas even Christian?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by houston (Post 1287395)
What is a pilgram?

Um, my username.

pilgram 11-15-2013 12:15 AM

Re: Is Christmas even Christian?
 
This video is excellent as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO0BVukVN3w

Praxeas 11-15-2013 12:54 AM

Re: Is Christmas even Christian?
 
good grief...do you believe in UFOs? Because I can find a Youtube Video to prove it! I saw it on YOUTUBE

Michael The Disciple 11-15-2013 01:02 AM

Re: Is Christmas even Christian?
 
Of course Christmas is not ordained of God. Teaching children that believing a lie is ok.

renee819 11-15-2013 05:36 AM

Re: Is Christmas even Christian?
 
No, Christmas is not Christian.

Nitehawk013 11-15-2013 05:49 AM

Re: Is Christmas even Christian?
 
Yay! It's that time of year again. Let the scrooges awaken from slumber.

Esaias 11-15-2013 06:30 AM

Re: Is Christmas even Christian?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013 (Post 1287424)
Yay! It's that time of year again. Let the scrooges awaken from slumber.

You rang?

seekerman 11-15-2013 06:35 AM

Re: Is Christmas even Christian?
 
I'm going to have me a big ole honkin' Christmas tree this year!! Take that haters of fir trees!!

But wait....it's a FAKE fir tree...does that count?

Tis' the season to be jolly...fa la la la la.

:horn

Aquila 11-15-2013 08:24 AM

Re: Is Christmas even Christian?
 
Christmas is a cultural holiday that has been "Christianized" to celebrate Christian beliefs.

RandyWayne 11-15-2013 08:28 AM

Re: Is Christmas even Christian?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1287407)
good grief...do you believe in UFOs? Because I can find a Youtube Video to prove it! I saw it on YOUTUBE

Well, he DID find that "French Model" on the internet.

RandyWayne 11-15-2013 08:30 AM

Re: Is Christmas even Christian?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013 (Post 1287424)
Yay! It's that time of year again. Let the scrooges awaken from slumber.

Our house is going to have so many lights on the outside (LED of course) that we're going to look like the Griswold's home.

n david 11-15-2013 09:18 AM

Re: Is Christmas even Christian?
 
Well this aint beating a dead horse. :beatdeadhorse

Ah, yes. It's the annual "Christmas is Eeeeeeevil" thread made up by grinches :grinch and grumpy people :grumpy


:whistle

Anyhoo...


Here's what my family will be doing. I'm gonna get a tree, :ucuttree put it up in the living room. We'll put some gifts under the tree :treegifts and make it all glittery and beautiful.

Then we'll be going to my wife's relatives where every year they have a HUGE family dinner, sing a few christmas worship songs, :caroling read the joyous story of the nativity :star :wisemen. After that, one of the neighbors always dresses up as Santa Clause to visit the kids :santaelf and give some small gifts at the end of the evening.

Joy to the world! :horn

The next morning, our daughter will probably wake us up early and we'll sip hot cocoa and watch her open a few gifts. :gift

Then it's on to my family's dinner, where we will enjoy being together and take time to remember a Savior who was born to save mankind.

You grinches can just sit at home and be grumpy!

:santathumb

:merrychristmas

Godzchild 11-15-2013 09:24 AM

Re: Is Christmas even Christian?
 
So , if you believe in Christmas you are not a Christian.....or teaching kids about it is teaching them a lie......?????? Seriously people! :throwrock Brings to mind one word my Pastor used to say about people like this...."Fanaticals" .... rather pathetic IMO!

Godzchild 11-15-2013 09:25 AM

Re: Is Christmas even Christian?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 1287437)
Our house is going to have so many lights on the outside (LED of course) that we're going to look like the Griswold's home.

:heeheehee please post pics!

Godzchild 11-15-2013 09:25 AM

Re: Is Christmas even Christian?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by n david (Post 1287443)
Well this aint beating a dead horse. :beatdeadhorse

Ah, yes. It's the annual "Christmas is Eeeeeeevil" thread made up by grinches :grinch and grumpy people :grumpy


:whistle

Anyhoo...


Here's what my family will be doing. I'm gonna get a tree, :ucuttree put it up in the living room. We'll put some gifts under the tree :treegifts and make it all glittery and beautiful.

Then we'll be going to my wife's relatives where every year they have a HUGE family dinner, sing a few christmas worship songs, :caroling read the joyous story of the nativity :star :wisemen. After that, one of the neighbors always dresses up as Santa Clause to visit the kids :santaelf and give some small gifts at the end of the evening.

Joy to the world! :horn

The next morning, my daughter will probably wake us up early and we'll sip hot cocoa and watch her open a few gifts. :gift

Then it's on to my family's dinner, where we will enjoy being together and take time to remember a Savior who was born to save mankind.

You grinches can just sit at home and be grumpy!

:santathumb

:merrychristmas

:thumbsup:yourock

pilgram 11-15-2013 09:28 AM

Re: Is Christmas even Christian?
 
And the "Savior" gets a little mention at the very end. That speaks volumes.

Godzchild 11-15-2013 09:35 AM

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In fact....we have already done the Tree and stairway in our home.........:smack Ugh...what Scrooges~!
:happyholidays:merrychristmas:santasleigh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=VWxDmBocGrM

Timmy 11-15-2013 09:47 AM

Re: Is Christmas even Christian?
 
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n david 11-15-2013 09:59 AM

Re: Is Christmas even Christian?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pilgram (Post 1287447)
And the "Savior" gets a little mention at the very end. That speaks volumes.

Hopefully this wasn't about my post. If so, you're not very observant, and that speaks volumes. :thumbsup (See what I did there?)

Guess you missed the part of the post where I wrote about singing worship songs and reading the nativity story.

And BTW, even without singing worship songs or reading the nativity...there's nothing wrong about gathering with family to spend time together. Every occasion needs not 3 songs, an offering, message and altar call!

:happydance

Ferd 11-15-2013 10:16 AM

Re: Is Christmas even Christian?
 
Is Christmas Christian? well that right there is a great question.

the answer is, without doubt, certainly it is.

Now does that mean it is the acutal date the Lord Jesus was born? no.
Does that mean that the people who died 1500 years ago, who came up with Dec. 25 as the date for Christmas did so with pure motive? I dont have a clue because I was not alive when they did it.

Does that mean that there was no pagan holiday that christians appropreated? no. in fact the people who came up with that date did appropreate the date from a pagan celebration.

does it matter? only to a handful of people who are worried about silly unimportant nonsense.

celebrating Jesus is never a bad thing.

Ferd 11-15-2013 10:18 AM

Re: Is Christmas even Christian?
 
LOL.

Someone from admin with nothing to do, ought to go thru the threads and find all the threads about Christmas being evil and sticky them.

it would be fun!

n david 11-15-2013 10:19 AM

Re: Is Christmas even Christian?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 1287454)
LOL.

Someone from admin with nothing to do, ought to go thru the threads and find all the threads about Christmas being evil and sticky them.

it would be fun!

:toofunny

That would be fun!

Luke 11-15-2013 10:52 AM

Re: Is Christmas even Christian?
 
We already have three trees up and some gifts wrapped. My family LOVE christmas.

n david 11-15-2013 10:55 AM

Re: Is Christmas even Christian?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Luke (Post 1287459)
We already have three trees up and some gifts wrapped. My family LOVE christmas.

Why am I not surprised.... :lol

One for the Father.
One for the Son.
One for the Holy Spirit.

:shockamoo

I just need ONE! :slaphappy

Truthseeker 11-15-2013 11:13 AM

Re: Is Christmas even Christian?
 
I understand the antichristmas sentiments but wonder if I caused more harm then good by it. My family would have all the grand kids draw names togive gifts to each other. I always said no when my dad called to ask, now wonder if that was good move.

Godzchild 11-15-2013 11:22 AM

Re: Is Christmas even Christian?
 
Question? And HOPEFULLY this will be answered by one of the "NORMAL" persons on here and not from someone who thinks teaching your child about Christmas is a sin ! Why are some people so fanatical and ridiculous about Holidays? And calling them a sin is so hilarious I do believe I hear God snickering ~

Truthseeker 11-15-2013 11:24 AM

Re: Is Christmas even Christian?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Godzchild (Post 1287463)
Question? And HOPEFULLY this will be answered by one of the "NORMAL" persons on here and not from someone who thinks teaching your child about Christmas is a sin ! Why are some people so fanatical and ridiculous about Holidays? And calling them a sin is so hilarious I do believe I hear God snickering ~


Because of the origins.

Godzchild 11-15-2013 11:30 AM

Re: Is Christmas even Christian?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Truthseeker (Post 1287464)
Because of the origins.

I am sort of lost on this really. I am not American and do not understand a lot of how you guys explain it or your definitions (sorry) but I don't get the concept of God wanting us NOT to celebrate Holidays of any. My German-Hungarian-Apache-Black backgrounds celebrate MANY Holidays, Customs and occasions ~ I am blessed!

Truthseeker 11-15-2013 11:33 AM

Re: Is Christmas even Christian?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Godzchild (Post 1287465)
I am sort of lost on this really. I am not American and do not understand a lot of how you guys explain it or your definitions (sorry) but I don't get the concept of God wanting us NOT to celebrate Holidays of any. My German-Hungarian-Apache-Black backgrounds celebrate MANY Holidays, Customs and occasions ~ I am blessed!

I suggest you Google origins of Christmas.

Godzchild 11-15-2013 11:36 AM

Re: Is Christmas even Christian?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Truthseeker (Post 1287467)
I suggest you Google origins of Christmas.

Thank you, but I will just stay where I am with what I believe and feel, and thanks anyways for answering my question :)

Luke 11-15-2013 12:40 PM

Re: Is Christmas even Christian?
 
:killinme
Quote:

Originally Posted by n david (Post 1287460)
Why am I not surprised.... :lol

One for the Father.
One for the Son.
One for the Holy Spirit.

:shockamoo

I just need ONE! :slaphappy


MarieA27 11-15-2013 01:16 PM

Re: Is Christmas even Christian?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Godzchild (Post 1287463)
Question? And HOPEFULLY this will be answered by one of the "NORMAL" persons on here and not from someone who thinks teaching your child about Christmas is a sin ! Why are some people so fanatical and ridiculous about Holidays? And calling them a sin is so hilarious I do believe I hear God snickering ~

I think it's the origins and the whole "christmas" spirit that accompanies it ever year. I think people just plainly see it as a heathen worship, not being Godly in anyway, no mater how much people try to make it sound like it is so, and see no reason to participate, or have their name associated with such. I think people have strong convictions on what they believe to be false doctrine. For an example, to them it's the same as facilitating a gay marriage who happen to call themselves a christian. Of course people would call that an oxymoron, and say that gays can't be christian because it's an abomination, etc., well... people feel the same about what they believe to be pagan holidays, such as Christmas, Easter and what have you.

RandyWayne 11-15-2013 02:36 PM

Re: Is Christmas even Christian?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MarieA27 (Post 1287486)
I think it's the origins and the whole "christmas" spirit that accompanies it ever year. I think people just plainly see it as a heathen worship, not being Godly in anyway, no mater how much people try to make it sound like it is so, and see no reason to participate, or have their name associated with such. I think people have strong convictions on what they believe to be false doctrine. For an example, to them it's the same as facilitating a gay marriage who happen to call themselves a christian. Of course people would call that an oxymoron, and say that gays can't be christian because it's an abomination, etc., well... people feel the same about what they believe to be pagan holidays, such as Christmas, Easter and what have you.

...and birthdays and wedding anniversaries, and Memorial day, and Labor day, and the 4th of July and Valentines, and Thanksgiving. . . . .

MarieA27 11-15-2013 02:58 PM

Re: Is Christmas even Christian?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 1287500)
...and birthdays and wedding anniversaries, and Memorial day, and Labor day, and the 4th of July and Valentines, and Thanksgiving. . . . .

*sighs* Like I said, it's not just the origins, it's the whole attitude, atmosphere, and going ons associated with it. When people ask me what I'm doing for christmas, I usually just plainly say, "I'm not planning on doing anything," Then they'll ask why, "And I'll just say I don't celebrate it," some will understand right away, and others will act as if I have three heads coming out of my shoulders, exclaiming away, "But it's the birth of Christ!!" all the while denouncing and slandering Christ's name all year long, but no we can't do that on Christmas, because it's not the right "Christmas spirit" to have. Anyway, in my post, I was just explaining why some people have such a negative feeling towards Christmas.

Godzchild 11-15-2013 03:03 PM

Re: Is Christmas even Christian?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 1287500)
...and birthdays and wedding anniversaries, and Memorial day, and Labor day, and the 4th of July and Valentines, and Thanksgiving. . . . .

Guess us devil holiday celebrators are all on our way to hell together.....:heeheehee

Esaias 11-15-2013 03:10 PM

Re: Is Christmas even Christian?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 1287500)
...and birthdays and wedding anniversaries, and Memorial day, and Labor day, and the 4th of July and Valentines, and Thanksgiving. . . . .

Birthdays - while nothing is commanded in Scripture about celebrating (or not celebrating) birthdays, some do have a conviction about it.

Wedding anniversaries - never heard anyone who doesn't do the wedding anniversary thing unless their marriage is on the rocks! lol

Memorial Day - secular holiday.
Labour day - secular (communist) holiday.
4th of July - secular holiday.
Valentines day - pagan festival (Lupercalia) 'christianised' by some supposed connection to the Roman Catholic Saint Valentinus. The Lupercalia was originally a fertility festival devoted to fornication. The famous 'heart' design so common and especially associated with this day is not in fact a heart (looks nothing like a human heart) but is in fact a representation of a 'matrix' (ie a womb). Every tradition associated with Valentine's Day has its origins in pagan fertility festivals associated with the Lupercalia or related pagan holy days. They are thus the traditions of demon worship and immorality.

Thanksgiving - technically a pseudo-religious holiday, although it has become extremely secularised. Also, the day is often not about giving thanks to God anymore, but more about gluttony and slothfulness (except for the poor women who have to do so much cooking for their usually unthankful husbands lol). In any event, with the exception of Valentine's Day and possibly Labor Day, all those days are secular, not HOLY days, not devoted to worship, not a holdover of rites of pagan demon worship, and therefore not in the same category as Christ's Mass (aka Nimrod's birthday, birthday of Sol Invictus or Mithra or some other dying Sun god, etc).

:thumbsup

houston 11-15-2013 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godzchild (Post 1287444)
So , if you believe in Christmas you are not a Christian.....or teaching kids about it is teaching them a lie......?????? Seriously people! :throwrock Brings to mind one word my Pastor used to say about people like this...."Fanaticals" .... rather pathetic IMO!

santa is real?


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