Guns in church, an American tradition
 

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"From "The Sabbath in Puritan New England"

For many years after the settlement of New England the Puritans, even in outwardly tranquil times, went armed to meeting; and to sanctify the Sunday gun-loading they were expressly forbidden to fire off their charges at any object on that day save an Indian or a wolf, their two "greatest inconveniencies."

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"In 1640 it was ordered in Massachusetts that in every township the attendants at church should carry a "competent number of peeces, fixed and compleat with powder and shot and swords every Lords-day to the meeting-house;" one armed man from each household was then thought advisable and necessary for public safety. In 1642 six men with muskets and powder and shot were thought sufficient for protection for each church. In Connecticut similar mandates were issued, and as the orders were neglected "by divers persones," a law was passed in 1643 that each offender should forfeit twelve pence for each offence. In 1644 a fourth part of the "trayned hand" was obliged to come armed each Sabbath, and the sentinels were ordered to keep their matches constantly lighted for use in their match-locks. They were also commanded to wear armor, which consisted of "coats basted with cotton-wool, and thus made defensive against Indian arrows." In 1650 so much dread and fear were felt of Sunday attacks from the red men that the Sabbath-Day guard was doubled in number. In 1692, the Connecticut Legislature ordered one fifth of the soldiers in each town to come armed to each meeting, and that nowhere should be present as a guard at time of public worship fewer than eight soldiers and a sergeant."

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"In Concord, New Hampshire, the men, who all came armed to meeting, stacked their muskets around a post in the middle of the church, while the honored pastor, who was a good shot and owned the best gun in the settlement, preached with his treasured weapon in the pulpit by his side, ready from his post of vantage to blaze away at any red man whom he saw sneaking without, or to lead, if necessary, his congregation to battle. The church in York, Maine, until the year 1746, felt it necessary to retain the custom of carrying arms to the meeting-house, so plentiful and so aggressive were Maine Indians.

Not only in the time of Indian wars were armed men seen in the meeting-house, but on June 17, 1775, the Provincial Congress recommended that the men "within twenty miles of the sea-coast carry their arms and ammunition with them to meeting on the Sabbath and other days when they meet for public worship." And on many a Sabbath and Lecture Day, during the years of war that followed, were proved the wisdom and foresight of that suggestion.

The men in those old days of the seventeenth century, when in constant dread of attacks by Indians, always rose when the services were ended and left the house before the women and children, thus making sure the safe exit of the latter. This custom prevailed from habit until a late date in many churches in New England, all the men, after the benediction and the exit of the parson, walking out in advance of the women. So also the custom of the men always sitting at the "head" or door of the pew arose from the early necessity of their always being ready to seize their arms and rush unobstructed to fight."

Alice Morse Earle, The Sabbath in Puritan New England (NY: Charles Scribner's Sons, 1891), 19-25.

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My sister has a license to carry and she packs heat to church along with others I know. we are not sitting ducks for an attack . . .

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I recently got my CCW license (my pastor runs the class where I took the requisite training) and I've carried every day since. And yes, that includes Sundays. I know for a fact that I'm not the only one, not even counting my pastor.

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Is anyone expecting Aquila to stop by to disrupt their church for having prayer for the president? :ouch

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he said we need to be prepared, so :drawguns

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:heeheehee

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Interesting read E. I noticed with interest that Indians and wolves were their main concern.

I live in a wild and remote area. I don't pack, most of the time. I do have a gun, but find it cumbersome to carry. My husband just got me a holster though, for me to use now, because on our game camera, we had a wolf in our backyard. We know that there is a large wolf pack that lives in the mountains just a mile or two from us, so I guess if the pilgrims were concerned enough about wolves to bring their guns to church, perhaps I need to be concerned enough to carry one about my yard, cumbersome though it may be.... lol

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Aquila is a blowhard internet SJW. He won't be going anywhere, he will leave that to others.

He's what is known as an "intellectual".

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The below is a paragraph from history which I modified to fit what is going on today. Aquila would probably agree with the below thoughts.

We demand the freedom of all religious confessions in the state, insofar as they do not jeopardize the state's existence or conflict with the manners and moral sentiments of the human race. The Party as such upholds the point of view of a positive Christianity without tying itself confessionally to any one confession. It combats the ultra conservative right wing spirit at home and abroad and is convinced that a permanent recovery of the people can only be achieved from within on the basis of the common good before individual good.

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Guns in Church? Yeah! Two 38's! Not only that; an Axe and two 38's!!!

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Please dont start up with the personal attacks

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:slaphappy

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Do you like boiled okra and tomatoes?

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Yes...and bacon to ! :nod

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Really?

I have a brother from Mountain View, he was in old Brother Frank Stevens church. He told me a story about boiled okra and tomatoes. I have had okra in gumbo, but never had okra and tomatoes. He couldn't stand them when he was a child (still doesn't like them) but I wanted to know if anyone else had an issue with them?

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How can you NOT eat okra and tomatoes together?

Okra, with rice and fresh sliced tomatoes, baked chicken, dinner rolls... mmmm.

Surely if you make gumbo with okra, you put tomatoes in there... right?

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I can't make my own gumbo. I'm not qualified. Gumbo should only be made by Brother Scott Grimnh (the only Texan) and Sister Dana (raised in Vermilion Parish) who makes the most awesome gumbo on the planet. Brother Scott Grimnh makes the most killer smoked boudin on earth. If I lived near his church I would eat smoked boudin and hot links everyday. But alas I can't make gumbo. Sister Benincasa makes some good Gumbo, and her alligator sauce piquant taste like Jesus made it.

But BOILED okra and tomatoes is something I never had.

Brother Frank Harris told me a story once that turned me off so bad that when I went to preach at a church, and the pastor's wife cooked some. I didn't eat it. That for me was sacrilege, because number one rule I have is if a pastor's wife cooks it, I eat it. You go to preach for a church, and the pastor's wife is kind enough to cook for you, you eat it and smile with every bite. What saved me is that the pastor's wife cooked other things as well.

But I sure would like to try BOILED okra and tomatoes, and judge for myself

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Boiling okra requires excellent timing. Not too long, not too quick. Not always easy.

Some people don't like boiled okra.

Personally, I don't care too much for fried okra. I can eat it but I'd never request it be made. And I don't eat boiled okra that often. BTW, my wife and kids like pickled okra.

Gumbo comes in two styles: gumbo, and GUMBO. gumbo is almost any kind of soupy beans, rice, meat, whatever, with some csjun/creole seasing. GUMBO is only made by experts, almost always natives of Louisiana or far southeast Texas, usually with thick southern Acadian-style accents....

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:thumbsup

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I think having guns in church should be up to each individual body and/or pastor.

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Of course, no one is saying it's mandatory.

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Funny, though, it used to be mandatory! You could get a civil fine for being in church without being armed...

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:thumbsup

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Yessir e bob, hope no wolves or indians show up around some of you folks! They will be dead for sure.

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Yes

Gumbo means okra 😁

Add onion and Worcestershire sauce.:happydance

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Fear hath torment

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Gumbo without okra is something to be feared, because there's torment involved in such madness. :thumbsup

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Perfect love casteth out...