Any One Know What This Scripture Means
 

Judging from some of the remarks made on other threads, condemning me as though I attacked an individual, which I did not, neither did I call a name, it would appear that they are so scripturally illerate as to NOT understand it. Here is the scripture:

1Cr 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

Does anyone know what THIS scritpture mean:?

1Cr 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.


1Cr 14:33 For God is not [the author] of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Apparantly some are so spiritually illerate as to not understand these two verses either, judging only from past remarks. It is disheartening to learn that some of those remarks came from one who claims to be a pastor and has been in the ministry for more than three decades, if I rightly recall. It makes one to grieve over the church that he pastors.

Some would do well to recognize that judging the prophecy isn't the same as judging the prophet.

Exactly right. Two different matters entirely. It is a point that some obviously cannot delienate.

Bro. Strange,

You are too good of a man to go this route!

Comments made on the forum are just what they are. Sometimes we just dialog trying to figure certain posts out.

Please, you said that there was a prophet who prophesied under a different spirit, and you said the worship was influenced by another spirit and was like the golden calf worship Moses encountered...

You ought to know that these types of remarks are going to bring up a fuss especially from peole who know and respect the people who were propagating the things that were an offense to you.

you have now come back claiming to have never said it was demonic.

please answer this question and I'll let it go,

Was the worship around the golden calf demonic?

Why would the worship around the golden calf be demonic?

It was of a dangerous variety though....

It was a misguided worship built on the feelings and reasoning of the carnal mind.

It was from the carnal mind... which is enmity against God.

Brother Strange,
You are highly respected here.
You are a man of experience and discernment.
You have walked in the Spirit for a long time.
You posted your heart and some took exception to some of the things you said.
Then, things escalated. Some folks spoke a little too hastily and vehemently.
Because we're human and still carrying around this old man of flesh, sometimes we do that.
You don't have to justify yourself.
Why not just let it drop?
and let the thread disappear off the "new posts" section into oblivion?

You've got to be joking right?

It was idol worship...

The people danced naked before a golden god...

How can it not be demonic in nature...

Good grief...

Uh....

These things are not outside the unregenerated nature of man.

What indication do you have from scripture that it was demonic?

It was false... that is for sure.

But to say it was demonic would be to say that what they did was influenced by demons.

Nothing they did was outside the ability of man, on his own, to conjure in his own misled & carnal reasoning.

Is there any scriptural reason you have for you insistence that this was demonic?

These are the works of the FLESH... not of demons....

Of course... something that is demonic might well include these things but these things do not, in and of themselves, denote demonic influence. Man is degenerate enough on his own to do these things.

It is ok elder. I think you were misunderstood by some. We all love you and have great confidence in you. We are all at times quick to judge and you were judged very quickly. You are a great person!

I can't see how the two can be separated. If a prophet is speaking words from his own mind and God is NOT putting the words in his mouth, wouldn't that make him a false prophet?

Why don´t we all set our differences aside...go look at the Brazil pictures...pray for your lost earth brother...love one another...

I can understand your reasoning here for sure although I don't agree...

When the flesh is allowed to go into idol worship on the scale of chanting, dancing, and entertaining other spirits, in every instance I have seen, it is demonic in nature...

Besides the fact that BS openly made references to the devil and his influence...

1st JOHN
Chapter 4

(1 John 4:1 NKJV) Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

(1 John 4:2 NKJV) By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God,

(1 John 4:3 NKJV) and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

(1 John 4:4 NKJV) You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.

(1 John 4:5 NKJV) They are of the world. Therefore they speak as of the world, and the world hears them.

(1 John 4:6 NKJV) We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.

(1 John 4:7 NKJV) Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God.

(1 John 4:8 NKJV) He who does not love does not know God, for God is love.

(1 John 4:9 NKJV) In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him.

(1 John 4:10 NKJV) In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

(1 John 4:11 NKJV) Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.

(1 John 4:12 NKJV) No one has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God abides in us, and His love has been perfected in us.

(1 John 4:13 NKJV) By this we know that we abide in Him, and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit.

(1 John 4:14 NKJV) And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as Savior of the world.

(1 John 4:15 NKJV) Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.

(1 John 4:16 NKJV) And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him.

(1 John 4:17 NKJV) Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world.

(1 John 4:18 NKJV) There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love.

(1 John 4:19 NKJV) We love Him because He first loved us.

(1 John 4:20 NKJV) If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen?

(1 John 4:21 NKJV) And this commandment we have from Him: that he who loves God must love his brother also.

Correction.. LITTLE 'g', friend. LITTLE 'g'.

Emergency alert! Emergency alert!

Edited! Edited! Edited!!!!!

I appreciate the effort here...but just for the record, I do not hate Bro. Strange...or anyone else in this discussion....

I appreciate your concession and, if I may be allowed, I would like to make on small point concerning the thoughts you presented above.

I can't make any judgements as to what they may have or may not have entertained but I offer these last 2 scriptures in my assertion that their worship had followed the flesh and was misguided.

What they did was WAY off the mark but they were, at least in word, attempting to make a feast unto the Lord but they were wholly misguided in this attempt and followed fleshly and carnal reasoning.

I do see the point for sure although again, I do believe that at some point it became demonically influenced....this can happen on a dance floor at the local club with its music and dancing....

I certainly believe that the devil will get involved any time the flesh gets out of hand in any form of idol worship...around the golden calf the people gave themselves over to "another spirit" which is the charge BS gave against the La Dist. Camp.

I have little respect for ministers who use a public internet forum to air their accusations against another minister . . . and even less if the accusor doesn't confront the accused face to face.

I don't agree, sir. He made accusations and I want him to back them up. Either that or retract them completely.

It won't drop. Not until it's either proven or retracted. I'll bump 'til I'm banned before this is just dropped and given a pass. I refuse to sit around allowing someone to accuse someone else without proof.

Present the proof or retract it and I'll shut up. Otherwise, grab some Advil.

Prophecy is to be judged period. You miss you are out.

I wanna know more about the hysterical laughter, chanting, and barking??? Did this happen? Wasn't it reported? Yes? No? Maybe?

Well, if one person laughed hysterically, one chanted, and one barked, you know how word travels......all of a sudden everybody at the campground was doing it.

People......all of us.......really need to be careful what we say. (type)

Did someone say that there was a manifistation of gold dust??!! :slaphappy

Please exlpain.......Have you never been off target in something you spoke and thought was prophetic?

I am sure all who have waded out into the waters of prophetic gifts have swung and missed. Folks do grow in the gifts and no one is perfect in prophecy.

I would like to hear more on this too.

You are indeed a very wise man bro. Sam. Most of us know that and respect you for the very same things that you have said of me.

Time restraints will certainly cause me to do as you have suggested.

Here I have intentionally done, probably what I should not have done. I have been solicitous of remarks for the shallow reason that are readily appearant in some responses in these threads in question. My bad! It should not be sport with me. But then, Elijah found sport in the incredible foolishness of the prophets of Baal on Mt. Carmel. Maybe I should be a bit more mature than he. In my sport, I have found cause for grief as well.

Oh brother!!!! You, sir, are no Elijah. At least Elijah had the courage to face those he accused and disagreed with. And I doubt he'd have run from some simple questions.

Oh now, now, now!

I purposely witheld this remark to see if anyone of these brilliant souls could figure it out for themselves.

Anyway, thanks for this answer. I just did not want to dignify those that demanded answers with a proper response. I just wanted to see how long they would wallow in such ignorance as they project.

But, judging from their responses so far, I doubt that this, your very good answer will satisfy them either.

chaotic,
concerning one who sits by and hears an utterance, what PROOF do you suppose is available?

Has your experience in God been consistently 'proof-enabled'?

If it has, I sure hope you are daily or weekly or at least several times per year seeing devils depart with loud voices and those with palsies and those who are lame be healed.

IMO, we hear the witness of one guy say "sow uncommon seed...reap uncommon harvest"....do we demand PROOF?!?

we hear another guy say, "there is a familar spirit in those words that was also present with Balaam"....and you want PROOF!

What would be the proof that would satisfy your demands?

No one, as far as I know is soliciting your respect...or opinions for that matter.

You want it backed up?

HA!

You would not know a "back up" from a "shack up." (Personal opinion, of course)

But, since I have never called a name at any point in time...and since you are sooooo concerned about the reputation of a certain person...call that certain person and ask him if it is ok for his name to be used on this forum. If it is OK, then you come back with his permission and post his name and making your silly demands that you are making.

Meanwhile, ask him...or any other Prophet (true or false) if he is willing to have his prophecies discussed (failed or true) on this forum. If he says "NO," you then need to recognize the incredible ignorance of your silly demands and THEN SHUT UP. Yes, we can discuss those prophecies if he gives permission to do so.

Meanwhile, who are you talking about? You are waaaaaay our of your league, Mr/Mrs Novice.

Now, put up or shut up with your demands. I will be happy to discuss all of your demands if you get his permission. Meanwhile, I will extend to the man the same Christian courtesy toward him that I am sure that he would extend toward me.

I'm not sure you really want to go down this road.

This thread asks a question concerning certain scriptures as to understanding. Few answers.

Anyone know what the word "judge" means? Anyone know who has that right?

Does anyone know anything AT ALL??? Just anything. Does anyone know the difference in the sun and moon?

This question is not directed to those of you whom I know are very wise and learned in these matters. No need for you to respond.

The first sentence is correct. I would not always agree with the last sentence. Novices need to be mentored who, easily step between the soulish realm and the spirit realm without recognizing the difference. The soulish realm will very often fail. The divine realm never does. It takes a mentor to teach a God called Prophet the difference and how to stay within the confines of the divine realm. This margin of experience is developed by both love and zeal...but zeal according to knowledge.

NO...........please tell us Elder...............wait let me get comfortable at your "virtual feet" ! :woot

Judge

So what do those scriptures mean?

Dan? Anyone?

Would anyone have another NOT judge after having been given a God ordained command to do so?

Do ANY of you that are pressing demands KNOW ANY BIBLE AT ALL?

Do ANY of you recognize any difference between the bible, scripture and the Word?

What is WITH this ignorant Apostolic generation, anyway? Is everything LOST???

As M.E. Burr might would say, "It is just the moaning of an old fossil," that laments over the good time charlies of Apostolicism.

Thanks RevDWW. Good start. Judging might engender some discussion. Want to get it kicked off?

btw, who is the woman that you are snuggling up close to in the avatar that has a big smile on her face?

Wow, such maturity and Godliness.

You didn't mention a name, true. But you did reveal who it was in a very direct way. I need neither his name nor permission to demand proof of your accusations.

*grin* I've encountered your spirit before... :lol Again, why do I need permission? I'm not interested in his prophecies, true or false. I want proof of the accusations you gave that link him to the Cathedral of Wisdom and that he used WORD FOR WORD the words and philosophies from the Cathedral of Wisdom.

How incredibly rude and arrogant. Again, I'm dumbfounded that there are people on here that hold you up in such reverence.

Christian courtesy!?! :lol :killinme You're showing him Christian courtesy?

You came on to a public internet forum and stabbed him in the back with these baseless and unproven accusations and you call that Christian courtesy?

Good grief, sir! Pretty sad if that's your idea of Christian courtesy.

Bro Strange,

I'm not pressing demands but I would like to know the difference between the Bible, scripture, and the Word? Are you talking about the Word of prophecy?

Come on number 90, give it a try...you can do it.

Start with the word "prophesy." Then end up with the word "judge." It really isn't too hard. I asked my seven year old grandson this question. He gave a very good answer. You might even be able to do it too.