Opinions & AS Discussion - Kilgore
 

Just got word that Bishop James Kilgore preached today at a Conference in Mississippi. During that message he stated that he would not preach again in the United States for any meetings such as special services, dedications or conferences. Not a lot more was said about it except that he would not be preaching any more special meetings.

While it seems odd to hear someone say that those in attendance said that there was no hint of bitterness or animosity. Just a precious Pentecostal icon letting the world know that his ministy is going to pretty much be limited to overseas.

Ladies and Gentlemen, there are very few men with the character and humility of James Kilgore. I can't question the man's character but I do wish I knew what was in the Bishop's mind. His kind simply can't be replaced.

It's my opinion that Bro. Kilgore is sick of the politics...
The chain letters all of it.
He has repented over and over that he supported the Affirmation Statement.
He came into my life in THE MOST crucial moment of my life and ministry. I was priviledged to call him Pastor for two years...it was while in Houston that Bro. Strange and I became so close.
Bro. Strange will attest to the fact that we had some SERIOUS prayer meetings at old Life Tabernacle.
Me, Him, Sis Alice, Bro Gus, sister Patricia...LORD those folks taught me HOW to pray and touch the throne!!!
Ive been in church all my life but did not REALLY know how to pray until my time at Old Life Tabernacle and Those great people.

Would you please explain what you say here. How do you know this is true and how exactly has he "repented over and over"? Have you personally heard him?

It is no secret that he has expressed public remorse for the division the AS caused.
"Repented" simply mean regret in this case.
I am sure many can verify this.

You said repented over and over again so I thought you could provide the events and places this happened.

That's right.

The document from hell.

He has expressed his regret to me also. He has told me on more than one occasion that he would do it differently if he only had the opportunity. It breaks my heart to see someone having to live with regrets.

What about it did he regret exactly?

I ask partly because there have been denials that Bro. Kilgore ever did express these regrets and repentance. I thought perhaps there might be some documentation or record of times and places where he expressed such.

Violating the Spirit of the merger and endorsing something that was very destructive to the UPCI and the Apostolic church in general.

The support that he gave to it...exactly.

All you have to do is ask him...he will be honest...trust me on that one.

We all live with regrets.

I regret I had too much for supper.
I regret I didn't get a real degree instead of a BC piece of paper.
I regret I haven't exercised more.
I regret that I rented too long instead of purchasing.


But the AS is not Brother Kilgore's fault alone. There were many forces behind it, and guess what? A simple majority of men voted for it in 1992. There is a lot of blame to go around.

Did Bro. Kilgore who I respect and hold in high regard incidentally say why he lent his support to something like this? Did he support it conscientiously at one point and then have a change of heart later? When did he realize that a gross error had been made. This I wonder.

Call him and ask him.

Here is Life Tabernacles website!

http://lifetabernacle.cc/default.html

I love the women in pants on the front page! LOL

I don't think it would be appropriate to call someone out of the blue and be so presumptuous as to ask these kind of questions. It would be rude and seem disrespectful. I was hoping there might be more information here that would lend credence to what has been said about mutiple repentances and overall regret. That's all.

I agree....I wouldn't just call someone out of the blue and pepper them with questions either. It just doesn't seem right.

pages 251-258 of the book "Christianity without the Cross" discuss Bro. Kilgore's role in the passing of the resolution for the AS. An interview with Bro. Kilgore is quoted there.

LOL I said it sarcastically and VERY TIC! LOL

I was present in attendance in the meeting hall in Salt Lake city in 1992 when the Document From Hell was debated, ammended and finally passed by a standing majority vote.

Brothers Price and Kilgore were the two strongest proponents of the Document. Brother Price was not on the platform but Bro. Kilgore gave his strong opinion as to why it should be adopted. I sometimes wonder if it would have carried had he be against it. He carries so much influence.

Since the passage of that resolution, there has come in our ranks a great deal of division caused by it. This I feel is the cause of brother Kilgore's regret, though he never expressed to me this exact sentiment...only to say that he wishes that he could do it over again. This dear man is for unity of the Spirit and of the bretheren that he loves so dearly. I feel that it greives his heart to see the division caused by it. You would have to know the man as I do to fully understand this.

Men often live to regret decisions made during times of pressure and political agenda. I too along with others regret the decisions made and actions taken at that time. Pastor Poster pointed out that there were many factors and people involved in the ultimate decision. This is true.

Time marches on with many comrades gone missing.

A Cruce Salus isn't that Latin ? What does that mean ?

Yes, amen. This is true.

The heartbreaking, crying shame is that so many good men, yes comrades are gone missing that need not have gone missing. Someone needs to track them down like bird dogs and bring them back home...with love and grace.

Someone once said that the Christian Army is the only Army in the world that buries it's wounded.

I remember seeing a sermon on TBN titled, "Help, I've Fallen and the Church Won't Let Me Get Back UP."

Too many have the dispicable attitude, "Don't let the door hit you in the butt on your way out."

Another deplorable attitude among too many of us is, "Hey, they left on their own, if they want to come back, they will have to come back on their own."

Jesus came to SEEK and to SAVE that which was lost. We seem to have lost that spirit of love and grace...all compassing, reaching, and longing spirit of love and grace for those who are wounded, lost and perishing.

While we prop up the cross of Jesus, as though it needs to be proped up, while we polish and garnish it with niceties, as though it needs all of that, we have lost the spirit and desires of Him who died there.

WOW
Thats all I can say at this point...WOW

Wonderful. A thread started to honor one of the greatest among us almost turned into another Affirmation Statement debate.

The man deserves honor and it's humorous to me that even honoring a well deserving Elder can be tarnished if we're not careful. The man deserves honor. Period.

What exactly did the affirmation in 1992 do? What was it's purpose?

I think I'll post on the Honor thread - - these one seems to have taken a different route.

Yep, start a good thread and it gets hijacked every time.

I agree with you, that Bro Kilgore deserves honor....not rehashing past things deemed regrettable. God forgives AND forgets thank goodness.

For the record........

What was discussed in regard to the AS was not meant in any way shape or forum as disrespect to Bro. Kilgore. It's very obvious that everyone taking part in the discussion loves and respects Bro. K highly.

You need to learn to read comprehensively maybe. Honour was paid to Bro. Kilgore and he will always be honoured and respected and loved, but that doesn't mean history will be ignored either.

Depend on Felicity to bring balance, as always.

uh huh

that says it all for me, i love brother kilgore and one of my fondest memories as a teen , is him seeking me out after a service at life tab and telling me he saw the hand of god on my life, wont forget that, dt,

All I've ever heard about Brother Kilgore has been good. I haven't met him, personally, but he sounds like one of the best men in the UPC.

Consapostolic, the only thing that I can say the affirmation statement of 1992 does is just reaffirms what ministers agreed to when they signed for their license in the first place. My husband tells me this, and he's had his license many years.

That being said, it seems like so many people have a different opinion......and that just baffles me....it really does.

Maybe it's just the days we're living in.

Dean. NOBODY on here has given This great man ANYTHING but honor.
Appears to me you want to just make an issue of this. I find it funny you change the name of the thread. I Praised him and then gave what I know to be factual. Bro. Strange, who has known the man most of his life backs up what I say and continues to give the great man honor, and rightly so. BUT funny you target me in the thread title.