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diakonos 07-30-2019 08:16 PM

Re: Tongues- A sign or THE sign Of Spirit Infillin
 
No one else here has seen cloven tongues?

diakonos 07-30-2019 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1569210)
They asked how they heard every man in their own tongue - hear.

They asked why the people were acting drunk - see.

They didn’t ask about fire.

Because there was no fire. Cloven, like as of fire.

Anyone that has witnessed the movement of a flame should understand this description.

Pressing-On 07-30-2019 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by diakonos (Post 1569211)
No one else here has seen cloven tongues?

I believe that as the fire fell and burned the sacrifices with the 120 priests present in 2 Chronicles 7:1 “...the fire came down from heaven, and consumed the burnt offering and the sacrifices; and the glory of the LORD filled the house”, it wasn’t something that was necessary for a repeat nor did it happen again.

God brought the promise of the Spirit, the church was born, cloven tongues were “like” fire, so it was an impression and not real fire, and it wasn’t necessary for that impression to happen again. However, the tongues as initial sign continued and continue today.

Tithesmeister 07-30-2019 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1569210)
They asked how they heard every man in their own tongue - hear.

They asked why the people were acting drunk - see.

They didn’t ask about fire.

Hmmm

I can guarantee you that if I were there, I would have been asking about the fire. I’ve seen plenty of drunk people. That is not all that remarkable.

There appeared tongues of like as of fire. Who did these cloven tongues appear to? Was it the newly filled disciples? Or the ones who heard in their own language?

Pressing-On 07-30-2019 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Tithesmeister (Post 1569215)
Hmmm

I can guarantee you that if I were there, I would have been asking about the fire. I’ve seen plenty of drunk people. That is not all that remarkable.

There appeared tongues of like as of fire. Who did these cloven tongues appear to? Was it the newly filled disciples? Or the ones who heard in their own language?

The writer of Acts, Luke, wrote about it. No one asked about it. We see and hear people speaking in tongues today. If we are looking for something that looks like fire before we believe, we are going to be waiting around and missing the promise.

mizpeh 07-30-2019 09:31 PM

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The sign of my being filled with the Holy Spirit was when I spoke in tongues just like the rest of the believers in the NT. And just as Peter knew that Cornelius and his family and friends had been baptized with the Holy Spirit. There is no doubt about when such an important event happens.

Pressing-On 07-30-2019 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 1569217)
The sign of my being filled with the Holy Spirit was when I spoke in tongues just like the rest of the believers in the NT. And just as Peter knew that Cornelius and his family and friends had been baptized with the Holy Spirit. There is no doubt about when such an important event happens.

And it is that simple. :thumbsup:thumbsup

I would venture to say any other way of viewing it is teaching another Gospel.

Tithesmeister 07-30-2019 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 1569217)
The sign of my being filled with the Holy Spirit was when I spoke in tongues just like the rest of the believers in the NT. And just as Peter knew that Cornelius and his family and friends had been baptized with the Holy Spirit. There is no doubt about when such an important event happens.

The premise of the OP is whether it is a sign, or the sign.

I think that we agree that there were other signs of receiving the Holy Ghost besides speaking in tongues in the New Testament.


It seems that there are some who believe that the cloven tongues like as of fire were not visible manifestations.

PO and Diakanos, am I understanding that you believe that the cloven tongues were not really cloven tongues that were visible?

What exactly do you believe Luke is saying here?

Pressing-On 07-30-2019 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Tithesmeister (Post 1569220)
The premise of the OP is whether it is a sign, or the sign.

I think that we agree that there were other signs of receiving the Holy Ghost besides speaking in tongues in the New Testament.

No, we don’t agree. There is only one way.

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It seems that there are some who believe that the cloven tongues like as of fire were not visible manifestations.

PO and Diakanos, am I understanding that you believe that the cloven tongues were not really cloven tongues that were visible?

What exactly do you believe Luke is saying here?
He was moved on by the Holy Spirit to write what he wrote. “Like” means you are comparing something to something you visually understand.

Tithesmeister 07-30-2019 10:54 PM

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[QUOTE=Pressing-On;1569221]No, we don’t agree. There is only one way.
/QUOTE]
So are you saying that there were no tongues that sat on each of them?

Our physical tongues are not cloven.

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1569221)
He was moved on by the Holy Spirit to write what he wrote. “Like” means you are comparing something to something you visually understand.

Certainly. And he said that cloven tongues appeared unto them.

Miriam Webster

Definition of appear
intransitive verb
1a : to be or come in sight
when the sun appears on the horizon
b : to show up
He appears promptly at eight each day.
2 : to come formally before an authoritative body
must appear in court today
3 : to have an outward aspect : SEEM
She appears (to be) happy enough.
4 : to become evident or manifest
There appears to be evidence to the contrary.
5 : to come into public view
a performer who first appeared on a television variety show
The book appeared in print a few years ago.
6 : to come into existence
Hominids appeared late in the evolutionary chain.


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