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JamesGlen 07-22-2019 09:06 PM

Re: Tongues- A sign or THE sign Of Spirit Infillin
 
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Originally Posted by Jay (Post 1568847)
James, there is no doubt about the character of Cornelius, just as there is none about Mary, Matthew, Peter, John, or Paul. It is not upon receiving the Holy Ghost that one rejects the sinful lifestyles of the past, though they will be fully revealed as the affront to Christ that the are.

Cornelius was for all of his good works still unsaved. This is evidenced by both his angelic visitation and the words of Peter. So it is with Dr. Dobson and other good men. The plan and standard has not changed a single iota, no matter how good a person is.

Yes, there are some who are unsaved that demonstrate admirable qualities, but even idolatrous religions may have an element of truth. The first two Noble Truths of Buddhism are true. Life is suffering, and this suffering is rooted in man's selfishness. This does not make their religion true, nor do these truths save them. Islam commands all men to submit unto God or be damned, but all of their submitting does not keep them from Hell. If these things are also true, why would a lifestyle of holiness, separated from the world, but not having attained the fullness of God's redemption, save anyone, no matter that they were called Christian. Jesus stated that in the day of judgment, there would be many sincere people, having testimony of their good works and believing in Him, that are rejected and called workers of iniquity.

Nobody argues that Cornelius was unsaved before his encounter w Peter preaching Christ to him in Acts 10. Cornelius thought the good news was only for the Jews, then he found out it was for the gentiles as well. The argument lies in if receiving the Spirit evidenced by tongues was part of his salvation....part of his spiritual rebirth to which without it he was not born again nor saved.
I’m not arguing for or against...just sayin.



How and in what ways do u feel Cornelius was different on his “fruit” after he was Spirit filled evidenced w tongues?

JamesGlen 07-22-2019 09:34 PM

Re: Tongues- A sign or THE sign Of Spirit Infillin
 
It’s interesting to me that the Holyghost just fell on them in Acts 2&10 following the gospel being preached to them. Some waiting in Acts 2, it just fell in Acts 10, but not really seeking the Holyghost or tongues...unlike “nowadays Pentecost”, we say we are not seeking tongues, but that is somewhat inaccurate since sometimes we don’t stop what we have deemed “praying folks through”(unlike Acts 2 &10)till we hear them speak in tongues, then we sort of back off, “that’s it!”. To say we don’t seek tongues, we just seek the Holyghost and tongues come, seems a little bit “dishonest”. We do seek the evidence of tongues whether we admit it or not.

hometown guy 07-23-2019 12:16 AM

Re: Tongues- A sign or THE sign Of Spirit Infillin
 
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Originally Posted by JamesGlen (Post 1568849)
It’s interesting to me that the Holyghost just fell on them in Acts 2&10 following the gospel being preached to them. Some waiting in Acts 2, it just fell in Acts 10, but not really seeking the Holyghost or tongues...unlike “nowadays Pentecost”, we say we are not seeking tongues, but that is somewhat inaccurate since sometimes we don’t stop what we have deemed “praying folks through”(unlike Acts 2 &10)till we hear them speak in tongues, then we sort of back off, “that’s it!”. To say we don’t seek tongues, we just seek the Holyghost and tongues come, seems a little bit “dishonest”. We do seek the evidence of tongues whether we admit it or not.

What’s your point?

Jay 07-23-2019 05:25 AM

Re: Tongues- A sign or THE sign Of Spirit Infillin
 
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Originally Posted by JamesGlen (Post 1568849)
It’s interesting to me that the Holyghost just fell on them in Acts 2&10 following the gospel being preached to them. Some waiting in Acts 2, it just fell in Acts 10, but not really seeking the Holyghost or tongues...unlike “nowadays Pentecost”, we say we are not seeking tongues, but that is somewhat inaccurate since sometimes we don’t stop what we have deemed “praying folks through”(unlike Acts 2 &10)till we hear them speak in tongues, then we sort of back off, “that’s it!”. To say we don’t seek tongues, we just seek the Holyghost and tongues come, seems a little bit “dishonest”. We do seek the evidence of tongues whether we admit it or not.


First of all, because he was already avoiding sin, the good fruit of his life would be made more abundant. Further, since only a rough sketch of his life is provided are not made aware that much needed was needed for him to change drastically.

As for your second point, I believe this came about do to unScriptural practices introduced by Charles Parham and those believing in the intermediate step of Sanctification. I believe that often we have rushed the stage of repentance, when many need to spend the time digging out sin from their hearts, and spend time fighting them into receiving the Holy Ghost. This is especially true if the person has no background with Pentecostals. Perhaps if we stressed more repentance, we would see less tarring in the altar.

consapente89 07-23-2019 08:12 AM

Re: Tongues- A sign or THE sign Of Spirit Infillin
 
Dr. James Dobson may be a "good man" and have good things to say, but he isn't serving God in truth. Goodness doesn't equate salvation. Again...lifestyle is not a stand alone proof of Holy Ghost infilling. Tongues are initial and always present...godliness and TRUTH follows. Scripture is pretty clear that Cornelius was NOT saved before his Holy Ghost infilling, regardless of what character traits he possessed.

consapente89 07-23-2019 08:13 AM

Re: Tongues- A sign or THE sign Of Spirit Infillin
 
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Originally Posted by Scott Pitta (Post 1568844)
John chapter 3 says nothing about glossolalia.

Paul discusses the use of vocal gifts in the church, but he does not mention anything about tongues being evidence of Spirit infilling.

John 3:8's sound is glossolalia.

JamesGlen 07-23-2019 08:30 AM

Re: Tongues- A sign or THE sign Of Spirit Infillin
 
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Originally Posted by consapente89 (Post 1568859)
Dr. James Dobson may be a "good man" and have good things to say, but he isn't serving God in truth. Goodness doesn't equate salvation. Again...lifestyle is not a stand alone proof of Holy Ghost infilling. Tongues are initial and always present...godliness and TRUTH follows. Scripture is pretty clear that Cornelius was NOT saved before his Holy Ghost infilling, regardless of what character traits he possessed.


Please explain what you believe(or your speculation) to be the GODLINESS and TRUTH that followed Cornelius after he was Spirit filled. (obviously after he was in lightened that the good news of the cross was for Gentiles as well). I am not meaning this as challenging you, just wanting to hear your thoughts.



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Originally Posted by consapente89 (Post 1568860)
John 3:8's sound is glossolalia.

He responded to you because you said one could find tongues in John 3. It does not say tongues in John 3, you put it there based upon your under/interpretation of other scriptures being what Jesus meant when he talked about the sound of the “wind impacting”.

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JamesGlen 07-23-2019 08:49 AM

Re: Tongues- A sign or THE sign Of Spirit Infillin
 
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Originally Posted by Jay (Post 1568854)
First of all, because he was already avoiding sin, the good fruit of his life would be made more abundant. Further, since only a rough sketch of his life is provided are not made aware that much needed was needed for him to change drastically.

As for your second point, I believe this came about do to unScriptural practices introduced by Charles Parham and those believing in the intermediate step of Sanctification. I believe that often we have rushed the stage of repentance, when many need to spend the time digging out sin from their hearts, and spend time fighting them into receiving the Holy Ghost. This is especially true if the person has no background with Pentecostals. Perhaps if we stressed more repentance, we would see less tarring in the altar.

Good post. I appreciate your response.
Do you believe that Holy Ghost filled “tongue talkers” produce more abundant fruit, have a better understanding of holiness as another poster just posted, than those that are not Spirit filled evidenced by speaking in tongues?

Evang.Benincasa 07-23-2019 08:59 AM

Re: Tongues- A sign or THE sign Of Spirit Infillin
 
Some people have been in churchanity way too long.
They came in got water baptized, spoke a little ho MO Mashonda. Then later on in their journey thought what they once received wasn’t even real. How long you’ve been in church, and now you are asking questions on the internet? Pastor World Wide Web has some group of saints. Television is nothing compared to the Internet. :lol

JamesGlen 07-23-2019 09:36 AM

Re: Tongues- A sign or THE sign Of Spirit Infillin
 
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1568867)
Some people have been in churchanity way too long.
They came in got water baptized, spoke a little ho MO Mashonda. Then later on in their journey thought what they once received wasn’t even real. How long you’ve been in church, and now you are asking questions on the internet? Pastor World Wide Web has some group of saints. Television is nothing compared to the Internet. :lol

Thank you for posting this. You are a great example of comparison between the fruits of those that have not received the spirit evidenced speaking in tongue’s, and those that have.


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