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Bishop1 06-07-2007 10:13 PM

" Are Christmas Trees Pagan ? "
 
Are Christmass Trees PAGAN ?

JEREMIAH 10: 1 / 6

(1)
Hear ye the word
which The LORD speaketh unto you,
O House of Israel:

(2)
Thus Saith The Lord,
Learn Not The Way Of The Heathern,
and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven;
for the heathern are dismayed at them.

(3)
For the customs of the people are vain:
FOR ONE CUTTETH
A TREE
OUT OF THE FORREST,
The work of the hands
of the workman,
With An Axe.

(4)
THEY DECK IT
WITH SILVER
AND
WITH GOLD;
They Fasten It
With Nails
And
With Hammers,
THAT IT MOVE NOT.

(5)
They are upright
as the palm tree,
but speak not:
They must needs be borne,
because
they cannot go.
Be Not Afraid Of Them;
For They Do Evil,
NEITHER ALSO IS IT IN THEM
TO DO GOOD.

(6)
FORASMUCH AS THERE IS
NOT LIKE UNTO THEE.
O LORD;
THOU ART GREAT,
AND T
HY NAME IS GREAT IN MIGHT.

:13loads

WHAT SAY YE ?


__________________
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"If there come Any unto You,
and Bring Not This Doctrine,
Receive him Not Into Your House,
Neither bid him God speed:
For He That Biddeth him God speed
IS A PARTAKER OF HIS EVIL DEEDS."
{II JOHN 1:10/11}


Bishop1
:girlpopcorn

Scott Hutchinson 06-07-2007 10:29 PM

I personally don't do the Christmas tree thing because I have a personal conviction on the matter.

crakjak 06-07-2007 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bishop1 (Post 146307)
Are Christmass Trees PAGAN ?

JEREMIAH 10: 1 / 6

(1)
Hear ye the word
which The LORD speaketh unto you,
O House of Israel:

(2)
Thus Saith The Lord,
Learn Not The Way Of The Heathern,
and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven;
for the heathern are dismayed at them.

(3)
For the customs of the people are vain:
FOR ONE CUTTETH
A TREE
OUT OF THE FORREST,
The work of the hands
of the workman,
With An Axe.

(4)
THEY DECK IT
WITH SILVER
AND
WITH GOLD;
They Fasten It
With Nails
And
With Hammers,
THAT IT MOVE NOT.

(5)
They are upright
as the palm tree,
but speak not:
They must needs be borne,
because
they cannot go.
Be Not Afraid Of Them;
For They Do Evil,
NEITHER ALSO IS IT IN THEM
TO DO GOOD.

(6)
FORASMUCH AS THERE IS
NOT LIKE UNTO THEE.
O LORD;
THOU ART GREAT,
AND T
HY NAME IS GREAT IN MIGHT.

:13loads

WHAT SAY YE ?


__________________
http://www.acts238holinessorhell.com

"If there come Any unto You,
and Bring Not This Doctrine,
Receive him Not Into Your House,
Neither bid him God speed:
For He That Biddeth him God speed
IS A PARTAKER OF HIS EVIL DEEDS."
{II JOHN 1:10/11}

:girlpopcorn



Not again! Spare us!

Chan 06-11-2007 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bishop1 (Post 146307)
Are Christmass Trees PAGAN ?

JEREMIAH 10: 1 / 6

(1)
Hear ye the word
which The LORD speaketh unto you,
O House of Israel:

(2)
Thus Saith The Lord,
Learn Not The Way Of The Heathern,
and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven;
for the heathern are dismayed at them.

(3)
For the customs of the people are vain:
FOR ONE CUTTETH
A TREE
OUT OF THE FORREST,
The work of the hands
of the workman,
With An Axe.

(4)
THEY DECK IT
WITH SILVER
AND
WITH GOLD;
They Fasten It
With Nails
And
With Hammers,
THAT IT MOVE NOT.

(5)
They are upright
as the palm tree,
but speak not:
They must needs be borne,
because
they cannot go.
Be Not Afraid Of Them;
For They Do Evil,
NEITHER ALSO IS IT IN THEM
TO DO GOOD.

(6)
FORASMUCH AS THERE IS
NOT LIKE UNTO THEE.
O LORD;
THOU ART GREAT,
AND T
HY NAME IS GREAT IN MIGHT.

:13loads

WHAT SAY YE ?


__________________
http://www.acts238holinessorhell.com

"If there come Any unto You,
and Bring Not This Doctrine,
Receive him Not Into Your House,
Neither bid him God speed:
For He That Biddeth him God speed
IS A PARTAKER OF HIS EVIL DEEDS."
{II JOHN 1:10/11}

Bishop1
:girlpopcorn

It would certainly seem that this passage from Jeremiah show us a pagan practice that remarkably resembles Christmas trees (Christmas, as a holiday, came from a pagan Persian holiday celebrating the birth of Mithra, as well as from other sources, such as the Roman celebration of Saturnalia).

Digging4Truth 06-11-2007 10:41 AM

I think this.

The practice of decorating an evergreen tree around the current calender date December 25 is indeed taken from pagan worship.

The part of the scripture above that you are quoting from may be speaking of a similar practice and it may not. The scripture isn't clear enough to tell for sure either.

The scripture does specifically mention early morning services on a particular day and call them an abomination (I'm pretty sure that is what God called them... I'd have to check) and that practice had to do with the early spring festival which still bears a stylized version of the name of the goddess Ishtar (Easter)

But... if I were going to take a portion of the scripture you quoted and use it in references to these pagan practices and their being practiced in Christianity I would use the following portion...

Quote:

Hear ye the word which The LORD speaketh unto you, O House of Israel:
Thus Saith The Lord, Learn Not The Way Of The Heathen,

HeavenlyOne 06-11-2007 06:39 PM

A popular misconception about 'the Christmas tree' verses is that, when one reads them correctly and as they are written, you will read that it's speaking of idols made of wood, not Christmas trees.

Quote:

For the customs of the people are vain:
FOR ONE CUTTETH
A TREE
OUT OF THE FORREST,
This is what people did when making wooden idols.

Quote:

The work of the hands of the workman, With An Axe.
Know what a woodman does? He doesn't just chop down trees, but carves them into statues. Ever seen the work of someone who does that?


Quote:

THEY DECK IT WITH SILVER AND WITH GOLD;
They Fasten It With Nails And With Hammers,
THAT IT MOVE NOT.
They fastened trees down with nails so it wouldn't move? Why not leave it in the ground then???

No, it wasn't trees they were bringing in the house and decorating, but idols made of wood. It's that simple. No reason to read more into scripture than what is already there.

KwaiQ 06-24-2007 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne (Post 150544)
A popular misconception about 'the Christmas tree' verses is that, when one reads them correctly and as they are written, you will read that it's speaking of idols made of wood, not Christmas trees.



This is what people did when making wooden idols.



Know what a woodman does? He doesn't just chop down trees, but carves them into statues. Ever seen the work of someone who does that?




They fastened trees down with nails so it wouldn't move? Why not leave it in the ground then???

No, it wasn't trees they were bringing in the house and decorating, but idols made of wood. It's that simple. No reason to read more into scripture than what is already there.

I agree. Worshipping a Christmas tree is pagan. Putting one up in your house for tradition's sake is not necessarily a bad/evil thing. But to each there own I suppose.

mfblume 10-06-2007 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne (Post 150544)
A popular misconception about 'the Christmas tree' verses is that, when one reads them correctly and as they are written, you will read that it's speaking of idols made of wood, not Christmas trees.



This is what people did when making wooden idols.



Know what a woodman does? He doesn't just chop down trees, but carves them into statues. Ever seen the work of someone who does that?


They fastened trees down with nails so it wouldn't move? Why not leave it in the ground then???

No, it wasn't trees they were bringing in the house and decorating, but idols made of wood. It's that simple. No reason to read more into scripture than what is already there.

BRAVO! Someone else reads correctly! LOL

That is EXACTLY what the passage is saying. It is easy to miss the actual meaning from the 1611 KJV, and think it is actually a tree like a christmas tree. lol Common mistake.

Amen!

MrsMcD 10-06-2007 08:41 PM

:thumbsup Way to go HO

drummerboy_dave 10-06-2007 08:55 PM

Oy vey!


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