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pastorrick1959 12-01-2009 03:30 PM

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i will say amen to you again diggin for truth!

Jason B 12-01-2009 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 841100)
I generally allow my children to take part in whatever programs their class is doing as they generally revolve around actual mentions of Christ etc but I have pulled my kids out of one program. They were singing O Christmas Tree.
I do my best to live and worship peaceably with my church family but I do have my limits.

I do Christmas, but that is one taboo for my kids also. Won't be any of that. Also, family members got bent out of shape because I told my kids early on there was no Santa Claus. I didn't want their motivation for right living to be santa and toys, but rather Jesus Christ.

Scott Hutchinson 12-01-2009 10:07 PM

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Here is an article by Charles Halff,who was Jewish.
http://www.sovereigngrace.net/should.htm

Hoovie 12-01-2009 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason (Post 841264)
I do Christmas, but that is one taboo for my kids also. Won't be any of that. Also, family members got bent out of shape because I told my kids early on there was no Santa Claus. I didn't want their motivation for right living to be santa and toys, but rather Jesus Christ.

Awe yes. We told ours as well. We do not shun him entirely however, but just treat him as other imaginary characters (Peter Pan, Pinocchio etc.) Also, we share the true story of how St Nicholas helped to the poor.

But no lying! :)

Scott Hutchinson 12-01-2009 10:38 PM

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I've been a good boy maybe Santa will bring me a cap or two.

shag 12-02-2009 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie (Post 841424)
Awe yes. We told ours as well. We do not shun him entirely however, but just treat him as other imaginary characters (Peter Pan, Pinocchio etc.) Also, we share the true story of how St Nicholas helped to the poor.

But no lying! :)



We dont put up a Christ-mass:D tree, because while "decking it" in our home, I cannot get pass the thoughts that the origin of what I am doing, I feel, most likely does in fact stem from paganism or heathen customs (in which God despised), and hasn't got anything to do with Jesus, no matter what story I conjur up to justify it. 95% of all my friends do however, and we understand & respect eachother and are careful not to judge eachother, as I realize others are not led by my convictions, and vice versa.

I quoted you, Steve, for this reason: i had read somewhere about st. nicholas giving gifts to the poor, and found nothing wrong with, as in your post, finding the truth of that and st. nick, and sharing it with my kids, his giving to the poor and such. So to try to find info. concerning what he did, I came across this short read. I intend to tell them about st. nick, to some degree, but reading this article of what he supposedly did, makes me question what all the truth actually is behind the stories regarding him. It even says he calmed the seas. Maybe he did? ("who is this that even the winds and the seas obey him") I'll probably leave that one out:), but like you, maybe I should keep it basically on being known for "sharing with the poor".

here it is:
Any thoughts?

http://www.stnicholascenter.org/Brix?pageID=38

MomOfADramaQn 12-02-2009 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Bishop1 (Post 146307)
Are Christmass Trees PAGAN ?

JEREMIAH 10: 1 / 6

(1)
Hear ye the word
which The LORD speaketh unto you,
O House of Israel:

(2)
Thus Saith The Lord,
Learn Not The Way Of The Heathern,
and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven;
for the heathern are dismayed at them.

(3)
For the customs of the people are vain:
FOR ONE CUTTETH
A TREE
OUT OF THE FORREST,
The work of the hands
of the workman,
With An Axe.

(4)
THEY DECK IT
WITH SILVER
AND
WITH GOLD;
They Fasten It
With Nails
And
With Hammers,
THAT IT MOVE NOT.

(5)
They are upright
as the palm tree,
but speak not:
They must needs be borne,
because
they cannot go.
Be Not Afraid Of Them;
For They Do Evil,
NEITHER ALSO IS IT IN THEM
TO DO GOOD.

(6)
FORASMUCH AS THERE IS
NOT LIKE UNTO THEE.
O LORD;
THOU ART GREAT,
AND T
HY NAME IS GREAT IN MIGHT.

:13loads

WHAT SAY YE ?


__________________
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"If there come Any unto You,
and Bring Not This Doctrine,
Receive him Not Into Your House,
Neither bid him God speed:
For He That Biddeth him God speed
IS A PARTAKER OF HIS EVIL DEEDS."
{II JOHN 1:10/11}


Bishop1
:girlpopcorn


I guess I am ok then - I did not cut mine out of the woods -bought mine at a department store.

MomOfADramaQn 12-02-2009 07:04 AM

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I think organized religion is paganism at its best. Now - I am going to go finish decorating my 3 christmas trees that are in my house.

Jason B 12-02-2009 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MomOfADramaQn (Post 841505)
I guess I am ok then - I did not cut mine out of the woods -bought mine at a department store.

:toofunny

Sam 12-02-2009 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MomOfADramaQn (Post 841505)
I guess I am ok then - I did not cut mine out of the woods -bought mine at a department store.

Some years ago I belonged to an organization called The Church of Jesus Christ Pentecostal Faith. Our Headquarters was at 1335 Fort Street in Niles, MI. Our Presiding Bishop was G.R. Brock. Bishop Brock was against grape juice in communion, television, and Christmas trees.

We had a church down in SW Kentucky where the father and an adult son both were preachers and I think both were in the organization. One year the adult son decided he was going to have a Christmas tree. The father was horrified but some of them went to the woods and brought home a tree. When they brought it into the house, the father called them "heatherns" and said they were disobeying the Bible. The younger preacher said, "No, we didn't disobey the Bible. The Bible says 'one cutteth a tree out of the forest.' We didn't just have one go out there and get that tree, a whole bunch of us got it."
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