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Jermyn Davidson 12-12-2009 06:50 PM

Personal, Fresh Revelation!
 
For more than 60 minutes, I've been trying to express my entire understanding as to how I see Jesus Christ as the pre-existing SON of GOD.

But I can't.


So let it suffice that I, Jermyn Davidson, stand on the Biblical belief that Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God, existed as the literal Word of God (as in when you speak, you form your lips and using your tongue, you form words to communicate your own thoughts).


As Jesus Christ is the Word of God, He has always existed and will always exist. God is His Word and His Word is life.


Jesus gives us new life, and so we are born again, in a spiritual sense, when God breathes life into us afresh-- by faith in Jesus Christ.

That same Jesus who was killed from the beginning, but was once born and did once die and did once rise from the dead and did once ascend into Heaven in a body that could be seen then, will be seen again upon His return.

In that body, He exists now-- not as a separate person from His Father, our Father, but as the very Word of the Father, Incarnate.

The Incarnate Word of the Father, Our Savior, exists as the Will of God our Father, doing the will of God our Father-- interceeding on our behalf before God, Our Father, so that we won't all be lost.



Does this make sense Biblically, or am I way off in left field with my reasoning?
I think I make sense Biblically, but feel free to let me know if I need to return to the drawing board. :)

nahkoe 12-12-2009 06:59 PM

Re: Personal, Fresh Revelation!
 
:thumbsup

Jermyn Davidson 12-12-2009 07:07 PM

Re: Personal, Fresh Revelation!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nahkoe (Post 848787)
:thumbsup

Thanks.

I actually just updated it, for more clarity as to what I am trying to say, but I think I may have muddied it up.


I pray for more eloquence and more power than the most eloquent and powerful man of God I know-- Pastor Michael Williams.


It's a tall task, but I serve a taller God!!!!


Until then, I'll keep hammering away at getting closer to the Lord, in lifestyle and theology.

jfrog 12-12-2009 07:19 PM

Re: Personal, Fresh Revelation!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 848785)
For more than 60 minutes, I've been trying to express my entire understanding as to how I see Jesus Christ as the pre-existing SON of GOD.

But I can't.


So let it suffice that I, Jermyn Davidson, stand on the Biblical belief that Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God, existed as the literal Word of God (as in when you speak, you form your lips and using your tongue, you form words to communicate your own thoughts).


As Jesus Christ is the Word of God, He has always existed and will always exist. God is His Word and His Word is life.


Jesus gives us new life, and so we are born again, in a spiritual sense, when God breathes life into us afresh-- by faith in Jesus Christ.

That same Jesus who was killed from the beginning, but was once born and did once die and did once rise from the dead and did once ascend into Heaven in a body that could be seen then, will be seen again upon His return.

In that body, He exists now-- not as a separate person from His Father, our Father, but as the very Word of the Father, Incarnate.

The Incarnate Word of the Father, Our Savior, exists as the Will of God our Father, doing the will of God our Father-- interceeding on our behalf before God, Our Father, so that we won't all be lost.



Does this make sense Biblically, or am I way off in left field with my reasoning?
I think I make sense Biblically, but feel free to let me know if I need to return to the drawing board. :)

A square is a rectangle, but a rectangle is not a square...
The Word is God, but God is not the Word. I'm Just putting some thoughts out there...

jfrog 12-12-2009 07:34 PM

Re: Personal, Fresh Revelation!
 
The Word, he that was with God, he made all things, in him was life, and he was made flesh.

The Word, he that was God, he made all things, in him was life, and he was made flesh.

Both of these are needed to form the biblical concept The Word.

God cannot be with God right? Isn't that the contention of oneness with the trinity? But John speaks, he that was with God, he was God. He that was God, he was with God.

So The Word who was God, was with God... Yet God cannot be with God... It's really quite to much to put your head around I think :/

Jermyn Davidson 12-12-2009 07:35 PM

Re: Personal, Fresh Revelation!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 848796)
A square is a rectangle, but a rectangle is not a square...
The Word is God, but God is not the Word. I'm Just putting some thoughts out there...


If A= B, how can B not equal A?

Jermyn Davidson 12-12-2009 07:37 PM

Re: Personal, Fresh Revelation!
 
Besides, the main point I am so excited about is the fact that I can honestly say that I agree with my other Apostolic brothers and sisters in how I believe in the Pre-Existent Christ.

jfrog 12-12-2009 08:09 PM

Re: Personal, Fresh Revelation!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 848800)
Besides, the main point I am so excited about is the fact that I can honestly say that I agree with my other Apostolic brothers and sisters in how I believe in the Pre-Existent Christ.

I'm glad you are excited :)

jfrog 12-12-2009 08:21 PM

Re: Personal, Fresh Revelation!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 848799)
If A= B, how can B not equal A?

If A = B exactly and totally then B = A. However if A is a proper subset of B, then B is not a subset of A. I would say the statement "The Word is God" is closer to subsets than equality.

Consider this. The Word was with God. If the Word is with God this implies that the Word is not God (because we know God is one so anything with him cannot be him). So if we take the statement the Word is God by itself, then we might assume that the Word = God. However, if we take the statement "the Word was with God" then we would be forced to assume the Word is not equal to God. Both of these things cannot be true if we accept these statements as both implying equality in the traditional sense. In other words, both of the statements the Word is God and the Word is with God cannot both be used to imply equality.

Praxeas 12-12-2009 08:50 PM

Re: Personal, Fresh Revelation!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jfrog (Post 848798)
The Word, he that was with God, he made all things, in him was life, and he was made flesh.

The Word, he that was God, he made all things, in him was life, and he was made flesh.

Both of these are needed to form the biblical concept The Word.

God cannot be with God right? Isn't that the contention of oneness with the trinity? But John speaks, he that was with God, he was God. He that was God, he was with God.

So The Word who was God, was with God... Yet God cannot be with God... It's really quite to much to put your head around I think :/

JFrog and others, You need to understand that in the greek, when John wrote this, he was not intending to say "he" for the sake of identifying the Logos as another person. In greek logos is a masculine noun and in greek nouns and pronouns MUST agree in number, case and gender.

In other words had the noun logos been neuter John would have called the Logos an 'it'.


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