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simplyme 12-02-2009 08:34 PM

Re: " Are Christmas Trees Pagan ? "
 
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Originally Posted by alogi (Post 373992)
First off the whole idea of christmas is pagan, along with
easter,valentines,saint patty etc.These holidays are of the Catholic cult.
They should not be observed by true Apostolics.One cannot mix pagan and Christian ,that is what has been done here through these holidays. The Tammuz tree is just part of agreater diabolical, scheeme to turn the true worshippers away from the true God Jesus Christ.By observing things of this world. That is pay homage to the creation,instead of the one who creates.
Brethren remove yourselves from Idoltry.Let us get back to the worship of the Jewish God'' Jesus Christ''
Shalom
Alogi

WAY TO GO, Alogi!
TRUTH will prevail!
i for one cannot fathom what prevents people from seeing something
so simple, so clear., although I have my hunch(es) :D

Bowas 12-03-2009 06:44 PM

Re: " Are Christmas Trees Pagan ? "
 
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Originally Posted by Bishop1 (Post 146307)
Are Christmass Trees PAGAN ?

JEREMIAH 10: 1 / 6

(1)
Hear ye the word
which The LORD speaketh unto you,
O House of Israel:

(2)
Thus Saith The Lord,
Learn Not The Way Of The Heathern,
and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven;
for the heathern are dismayed at them.

(3)
For the customs of the people are vain:
FOR ONE CUTTETH
A TREE
OUT OF THE FORREST,
The work of the hands
of the workman,
With An Axe.

(4)
THEY DECK IT
WITH SILVER
AND
WITH GOLD;
They Fasten It
With Nails
And
With Hammers,
THAT IT MOVE NOT.

(5)
They are upright
as the palm tree,
but speak not:
They must needs be borne,
because
they cannot go.
Be Not Afraid Of Them;
For They Do Evil,
NEITHER ALSO IS IT IN THEM
TO DO GOOD.

(6)
FORASMUCH AS THERE IS
NOT LIKE UNTO THEE.
O LORD;
THOU ART GREAT,
AND T
HY NAME IS GREAT IN MIGHT.

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Bishop1
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Absolutely nothing to do with a Christmas tree. Agreed, much of it is of pagan origin, but to be an anti-pagan purist, you will most likely need to be a hermit or live in a controlled commune.
Please keep the words of Paul in mind...
1Co 8:1 Now as touching things offered unto idols, (Christmas trees) we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.
1Co 8:2 And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.
1Co 8:3 But if any man love God, the same is known of him.
1Co 8:4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, (Christmas trees)we know that an idol(Christmas trees) is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
1Co 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
1Co 8:7 Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol (Christmas trees) unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.
1Co 8:8 But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, (Have Christmas trees) are we the better; neither, if we eat not, (Will not have Christmas trees) are we the worse.
1Co 8:9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of (Having Christmas trees)yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak. (Have no Christmas trees)
1Co 8:10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;
1Co 8:11 And through thy knowledge (with Christmas trees) shall the weak brother perish, (without Christmas trees) for whom Christ died?
1Co 8:12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.
1Co 8:13 Wherefore, if meat (Christmas trees) make my brother (with no Christmas trees)to offend, I will eat no flesh (have no Christmas trees)while the world standeth, lest I make my brother (with no Christmas trees) to offend.

NOTE: The inserted RED is not found in the original manuscripts, but was added merely to show a point to the readers.

Truthseeker 12-03-2009 06:52 PM

Re: " Are Christmas Trees Pagan ? "
 
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Originally Posted by Bowas (Post 842916)
Absolutely nothing to do with a Christmas tree. Agreed, much of it is of pagan origin, but to be an anti-pagan purist, you will most likely need to be a hermit or live in a controlled commune.
Please keep the words of Paul in mind...
1Co 8:1 Now as touching things offered unto idols, (Christmas trees) we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.
1Co 8:2 And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.
1Co 8:3 But if any man love God, the same is known of him.
1Co 8:4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, (Christmas trees)we know that an idol(Christmas trees) is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
1Co 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
1Co 8:7 Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol (Christmas trees) unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.
1Co 8:8 But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, (Have Christmas trees) are we the better; neither, if we eat not, (Will not have Christmas trees) are we the worse.
1Co 8:9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of (Having Christmas trees)yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak. (Have no Christmas trees)
1Co 8:10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;
1Co 8:11 And through thy knowledge (with Christmas trees) shall the weak brother perish, (without Christmas trees) for whom Christ died?
1Co 8:12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.
1Co 8:13 Wherefore, if meat (Christmas trees) make my brother (with no Christmas trees)to offend, I will eat no flesh (have no Christmas trees)while the world standeth, lest I make my brother (with no Christmas trees) to offend.

NOTE: The inserted RED is not found in the original manuscripts, but was added merely to show a point to the readers.

eating meat has nothing to do with partaking with a customs of paganism.


1 John 5:21

21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols(Christmas tree) . Amen.
KJV

Truthseeker 12-03-2009 06:55 PM

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2 Cor 6:16

16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols ?(christmas trees) for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
KJV

Truthseeker 12-03-2009 06:56 PM

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1 Thess 1:9

9 For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols(christmas trees) to serve the living and true God;
KJV

Bowas 12-03-2009 07:40 PM

Re: " Are Christmas Trees Pagan ? "
 
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Originally Posted by Truthseeker (Post 842919)
eating meat has nothing to do with partaking with a customs of paganism.


1 John 5:21

21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols(Christmas tree) . Amen.
KJV

Actually in these passages it is about idols and paganism.
Paul is trying to show the church, there are no such thing as any other god(s) and there is absolutely NO power in any of that stuff.

1Co 8:4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
1Co 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

By allowing oneself to reject certain practices (not immoral ones), one give a measure of power to it and some legitimacy to the non-existent gods.
there is no power in meat sacrificed to idols, there is no power in a Christmas tree. If it offends a person, do not do it, just as Paul recommends.

Truthseeker 12-03-2009 08:06 PM

Re: " Are Christmas Trees Pagan ? "
 
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Originally Posted by Bowas (Post 842937)
Actually in these passages it is about idols and paganism.
Paul is trying to show the church, there are no such thing as any other god(s) and there is absolutely NO power in any of that stuff.

1Co 8:4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
1Co 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

By allowing oneself to reject certain practices (not immoral ones), one give a measure of power to it and some legitimacy to the non-existent gods.
there is no power in meat sacrificed to idols, there is no power in a Christmas tree. If it offends a person, do not do it, just as Paul recommends.

Once again, eating meat is different then partaking with pagan customs. Idols are real and demons behind them.

Bowas 12-03-2009 09:55 PM

Re: " Are Christmas Trees Pagan ? "
 
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Originally Posted by Truthseeker (Post 842952)
Once again, eating meat is different then partaking with pagan customs. Idols are real and demons behind them.

To the people Paul was addressing, the eating of this meat was considered in the same manner you are referring to, which is why Paul tells them, 1Co 8:4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.

Paul does not give ANY power to or behind any idol. Why? Because there is no power in idols. Be it the idols Paul was referring to, or any other idol they or we may have, because there is only God. Paul was trying to show the people the powerlessness of idols to the point he would actually partake of that which was offered to idols knowing all the prayers they (pagans) may have made to these idols meant absoulely nothing, just empty words to a non-exsistent powerless god.
Paul claims idols are nothing. God is.

Jason B 12-03-2009 10:22 PM

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Truth seeker, are you saying Jerimiah 10 pertaineth to Christmas Trees? Are you also saying there is a "christmas tree demon?!" :hmmm

Sam 12-03-2009 10:59 PM

Re: " Are Christmas Trees Pagan ? "
 
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Originally Posted by Jason (Post 843034)
...Are you also saying there is a "christmas tree demon?!" :hmmm

just like the squirrel jumped out of the Christmas tree in Chevy Chase's home and threw the people into a panic, a christmas tree demon can jump out of a christmas tree in your home and throw the people into a panic.


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