The Name
 

I posted this in another thread and then quickly deleted it. I decided that it would be HUGE departure from topic and it wouldn't be fair to the thread to throw such a boulder into the intended flow.

In the "Be Ye Perfect" thread Michael The Disciple used the term Yeshua.

To which AtlantaBishop replied...

My question...

Now why on earth would you say that?

Names are universal.

When I call the lady at the restaurant up town Juanita should I speak to her in spanish?

Why we use a translation of a translation is a bit of a wonder to me.

Names are generally not translated these days. Apparently they were back then.

But I certainly can't see why one would find themselves incorrect for using a pronunciation that is truer to the original name given.

The name spoken by the angel is nearly (if not exactly) the same as the name of the OT Joshua. Why did they end up sounding so differently? Moses had to stay behind and only Joshua (Y@howshuwa` {yeh-ho-shoo'-ah}) could lead them over into the promised land. Joshua was a type of Christ and shares the same basic name with Christ.

One is now called Joshua (sounding very reminiscent of the original pronunciation although there was no "J" sound back then) and one is now called Jesus (bearing almost no resemblance to the original pronunciation)

And we... the "people of the name" criticize one for trying to utter a pronunciation closest to the name the angel demanded Mary give to the Messiah?

Why would we do that?

Any thoughts?

Some would think this would cause some trouble for those who say if "the Name" is not called over the one in the water that NO sins are remitted.

They'll disqualify F.S. and H.G. on a technicallity...but give no thought to the fact the the "magic name" was really never spoken over them in baptism.











OK..I'm not serious here....and i don't think God is that "serious" either, that He would disqualify your baptism on a technicallity.

Are you saying the name of Jesus is a magic name????????????

I think this borders on being a reprobate if that is your feeling my discussion with you on any subject is over.

It's this type of inability to critically examine these type of issues that make it impossible to have any type of dialogue ...

Do YOU share this same contempt for the name of Jesus if so my dialogue with you is over on every thread???

Nope Elder, I am not saying that at all. I'm saying some view the name as the ...ah never mind Steve..you wouldn't understand.

I'll take your "reprobate" defense and move on. :friend

You can attempt to categorize me in order to marginalize me ... Elder ...

This type of broadbrushing is very common in the playbook....
I love the name of Jesus ...

I also understand that it is not a talisman ... or an abbra-cadabra ...

it is in his name that we have authority and power ....

DITTO DAN: now move over and make room in the boat for me. :toofunny

Some also use His marvelous name in vain repetition ... in prayer ... or when they want things to come there way .....

Jesus said:

"But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking." -Matthew 6:7

So why the defense of calling the Name of Jesus "a magic name"?

At times you use the same plays if your look closer.

But I still love you! :slaphappy

Specks and beams can come down to a matter of ones prospective.