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Jews Against Zionism

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We discussed this from a prophetic viewpoint in the prophecy section, but the news of this group is a very important general interest issue as well aside from prophecy. Zionism is heralded as a move of God amongst many believers, however these Jews who are the staunch traditional, Orthodox Jews, are totally against this movement. They claim that most all anti-semitism has erupted due to this rebellion against God.

These anti-Zionist Jews say Zionism is the movement to see Israel have their own Independent State, but without anything to do with God's Law. They strongly advocate that Deut 30 claims that only in obedience to God's Law should Israel ever become a nation again, and they admit this has not yet occurred. They accept the word of God that says their disobedience to God's Law has caused them to be scattered into all nations. Any attempt of man to establish them as a nation again is a rebellion against God.

Zionism is an atheistic movement to establish Israel as a nation, and these Jews claim that God's Word says there is no purpose for Israel to be a nation aside from obeying God's Law and setting up the government totally outside secular forms of governing and, instead, having an Old Testament system only.

They are so strong about this, that they rally against Zionism at every given opportunity. They hold signs (now, remember these are Jews, themselves) saying Zionism is the greatest cause of Anti-semitism in the world.

They are desperate about getting this message across, because they claim Jews are being hated for something that true Jews have nothing to do with -- Zionism.

Their website is here: http://jewsagainstzionism.com

They are totally against America supporting Israel due to these reasons. And they know that the middle east is erupting solely due to the fact that God's Word declares any such attempts by man to establish them in their land will FAIL. All these wars could be avoided if this fact were understood.

Christian Zionists seem to be in grave error according to these genuine Torah Keeping Jews. While some of ours applaud Zionism, these Jews are trying to tell the world it is an affront against God and true traditional Jews are absolutely against Zionism.

These Jews proclaim loudly that the Jews are not a race, but rather members of a religion, just like there are Roman Catholics and Lutherans. Anyone from any race can be a Jew. And for the Zionists to call themselves Jews when they are atheistic is ridiculous.

Their website also notes that when the USA was approached to STUDY the issue of the Jews being incinerated in Germany, the American Spokesperson for Zionism actually discouraged the effort saying it would remove attention from the Zionist hopes of colonizing Palestine!!!

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"As late as 1943, while the Jews of Europe were being exterminated in their millions, the U.S. Congress proposed to set up a commission to "study" the problem. Rabbi Stephen Wise, who was the principal American spokesperson for Zionism, came to Washington to testify against the rescue bill because it would divert attention from the colonization of Palestine."

(http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/an...aust/index.cfm)

I think that as true Christians, we should have nothing to do with support for Israel seeing what these Torah-Keeping Jews, who love God's Law and genuinely seek God, have to say. They need Jesus as their Messiah, but when they see Christians supporting something they know is a rebellion against God, I wonder how successful our witness can be to them.

From their site:

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Rabbi Shaul Brach

“Since the dawn of the Zionist movement, suffering has not ceased to exist in the world. All the warnings of the Torah have been fulfilled in their details among our People all over the world. For a believer it is no surprise that the Zionists are the same as the heretics at the time of the Destruction of the Temple. Thus, divine judgment has been unleashed on the entire world.”

Deut 30 says God will not gather Israel to their land until they obey His law. And that has not happened yet.

Re: Jews Against Zionism

I am against Zionism, not Jews, just Zionism.
It is steeped in carnality & the World.
God will set up Israel as a nation--that is a promise that is good as Gold!
Man will not set it up.

For now there is one way,obedience to Acts 2:38 as a means of getting to Heaven.
It is the same for Jews or Gentiles!

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 631774)

I am against Zionism, not Jews, just Zionism.
It is steeped in carnality & the World.

Amen! Exactly.

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For now there is one way,obedience to Acts 2:38 as a means of getting to Heaven.
It is the same for Jews or Gentiles!

Triple amen!

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 631774)

For now there is one way,obedience to Acts 2:38 as a means of getting to Heaven.
It is the same for Jews or Gentiles!

I would change that and say FOR EVER there is only one way - Acts 2:38. This will never change to another way in any age in our future. :)

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Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 631832)

I would change that and say FOR EVER there is only one way - Acts 2:38. This will never change to another way in any age in our future. :)

Amen!

Re: Jews Against Zionism

Any Christian Zionists here care to comment?

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Jews against Zionism has to be one of the coolest sites around. When I found it a few years back I actually didn't think it was for real, I thought it was a site made by Muslims or something like that, parodying or masquerading as Jews.
I would be curious, though, to find out how many Jews would agree with this website. Also, what would it mean for "Jews" to be following the Law? There are "us" Apostolics, and we abide in the Truth- if you don't abide in the Truth, then you're not apostolic. Apostolic parents don't have apostolic children. If those children choose not to come and abide in the Truth they are lost. However, don't Jews see themselves as having "Jewish" children, so if the child does not follow the Law, they have not rejected but have actually strayed from the Law because they are born Jews?

-Bro. Alex

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 631774)

does that mean you are against the idea of a nation of Israel?

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