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I AM=Father
Most everyone believes that Jehovah is the Father. When Jesus said I AM, he was claiming to be the Father. Yet Trinitarians will say that the Son is not the Father. And so, their claim to love the Truth of the Bible goes out the window.
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Is Jesus Jehovah Junior?
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He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Seems clear to me that Jesus was claiming to be the Father, that he was the Father. The NT says Jesus created the world, making him the Father, right? Oneness people believe Jesus is Father and Son and Spirit. But if we are speaking about God manifesting himself, then we should not be surprised to realize he has manifested himself in many ways, not limited to these 3. Hey Dom, if Jesus is I AM and I Am Is Jehovah, does that mean Jesus is the Father when it was Jehovah who created the world? What does Father mean but "originator"? |
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The obvious answer would be that Jesus was God’s only begotten son. fa·ther | \ ˈfä-t͟hər \ plural fathers Definition (Entry 1 of 2) 1 a (1) : a male parent (2) : a man who has begotten a child also : a male animal who has sired an offspring b capitalized (1) : GOD sense 1 (2) : the first person of the Trinity (see TRINITY sense 1) 2 : FOREFATHER //the founding fathers 3 a : one related to another in a way suggesting that of father to child b : an old man —used as a respectful form of address 4 often capitalized : a pre-Scholastic (see SCHOLASTIC sense 1a) Christian writer accepted by the church as an authoritative witness to its teaching and practice — called also church father 5 a : one that originates or institutes //the father of modern science b : SOURCE //… the sun, the father of warmth and light. — Lena M. Whitney c : PROTOTYPE //the father of all libraries in the country 6 : a priest of the regular clergy broadly : PRIEST —used especially as a title 7 : one of the leading men (as of a city) —usually used in plural //a council of the city fathers verb fathered; fathering \ ˈfä-t͟hə-riŋ , ˈfät͟h-riŋ \ Definition (Entry 2 of 2) transitive verb 1 a : BEGET b : to be the founder, producer, or author of //fathered the improvement plan c : to accept responsibility for 2 a : to fix the paternity or origin of b : to place responsibility for the origin or cause of //collected gossip and fathered it on responsible men — J. A. Williamson 3 : FOIST, IMPOSE intransitive verb : to care for or look after someone as a father might |
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It is my experience that Trinititarians are far better versed in their Theology than Oneness adherents.
Further, it is also my experience that Oneness adherents, when attempting to discuss or explain Trinitarian Theology, do a shoddy job of it, like you're doing here. Quote:
John 14:9 uses a metaphorical use of the word "seen". See: https://biblehub.com/greek/3708.htm It means to experience or perceive. Experiencing or perceiving Jesus correctly means automatically experiencing or perceiving the Father. Hebrews 1:3 explains the mechanics of this: Hebrews 1:3 (ESV), Quote:
John 1:1-3 (ESV), Quote:
See: https://biblehub.com/greek/1223.htm Colossians 1:15-16 (ESV), Quote:
See: https://biblehub.com/greek/1722.htm As for "through", it's the same preposition used in John 1:3 referenced above. Christ is the lens, if you will, in which God the Father foresaw the world, and the instrument through which God the Father made that world a reality by bringing it into being through the Logos. Quote:
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