Originally Posted by keith4him (Post 186991)

With all the discussion about baptism over the last few days, thought I would share some tidbits about baptism, some of what we do regarding baptism is from tradition and you know what they say about it that...

The first tidbit is that the person being baptized called on the name of the Lord, not the one doing the baptizing Acts 22:16.

I think that something is missing because the person who is being baptized sometimes misses this important element of calling on the Name of Jesus to wash them from their sins

The second part is that this I believe fulfills Romans 10:9

The third tidbit, is that of course the Jews understood baptism to be part of the washing rituals from their history of purification washings, but there is a new twist that the Romans understood about loyalty and oaths, that baptism also gave a picture of a soldier pledging ownership and loyalty to his new master (Pawson, The Normal Christian Birth)

Another tidbit about baptism that I never saw until recently, was in Luke's account of Jesus's baptism, the Holy Spirit did not descend upon him for the sake of ministry/to fulfill the type of the baptism of the Spirit, until he prayed, here is what Luke records....

Luke 3:21 When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too. And as he was praying (Jesus), heaven was opened

Originally Posted by keith4him (Post 186991)

With all the discussion about baptism over the last few days, thought I would share some tidbits about baptism, some of what we do regarding baptism is from tradition and you know what they say about it that...

The first tidbit is that the person being baptized called on the name of the Lord, not the one doing the baptizing Acts 22:16.

I think that something is missing because the person who is being baptized sometimes misses this important element of calling on the Name of Jesus to wash them from their sins

The second part is that this I believe fulfills Romans 10:9

The third tidbit, is that of course the Jews understood baptism to be part of the washing rituals from their history of purification washings, but there is a new twist that the Romans understood about loyalty and oaths, that baptism also gave a picture of a soldier pledging ownership and loyalty to his new master (Pawson, The Normal Christian Birth)

Another tidbit about baptism that I never saw until recently, was in Luke's account of Jesus's baptism, the Holy Spirit did not descend upon him for the sake of ministry/to fulfill the type of the baptism of the Spirit, until he prayed, here is what Luke records....

Luke 3:21 When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too. And as he was praying (Jesus), heaven was opened

Originally Posted by keith4him (Post 186991)

The first tidbit is that the person being baptized called on the name of the Lord, not the one doing the baptizing Acts 22:16.

Originally Posted by keith4him (Post 186991)

With all the discussion about baptism over the last few days, thought I would share some tidbits about baptism, some of what we do regarding baptism is from tradition and you know what they say about it that...

The first tidbit is that the person being baptized called on the name of the Lord, not the one doing the baptizing Acts 22:16.

I think that something is missing because the person who is being baptized sometimes misses this important element of calling on the Name of Jesus to wash them from their sins

The second part is that this I believe fulfills Romans 10:9

The third tidbit, is that of course the Jews understood baptism to be part of the washing rituals from their history of purification washings, but there is a new twist that the Romans understood about loyalty and oaths, that baptism also gave a picture of a soldier pledging ownership and loyalty to his new master (Pawson, The Normal Christian Birth)

Another tidbit about baptism that I never saw until recently, was in Luke's account of Jesus's baptism, the Holy Spirit did not descend upon him for the sake of ministry/to fulfill the type of the baptism of the Spirit, until he prayed, here is what Luke records....

Luke 3:21 When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too. And as he was praying (Jesus), heaven was opened

Originally Posted by Chewy (Post 187132)

99% of all people baptized, at least in my experience, are scriptural and spiritual infants and thus do not know or understand the the depth of what their baptism means, names being said, what to think, what to say, what to do and all having a cultural point of reference, during the whole process.

Unfortunately, many Apostolics turn baptisms into religious propaganda instead of making it about the person being baptized. They look it as one more person being converted into the church and TRUTH instead of one person starting a brand new life in the Lord Jesus. This is why only a small percentage of folks baptized stick beyond one year or beyond.

Originally Posted by Chewy (Post 187132)

99% of all people baptized, at least in my experience, are scriptural and spiritual infants and thus do not know or understand the the depth of what their baptism means, names being said, what to think, what to say, what to do and all having a cultural point of reference, during the whole process.

Unfortunately, many Apostolics turn baptisms into religious propaganda instead of making it about the person being baptized. They look it as one more person being converted into the church and TRUTH instead of one person starting a brand new life in the Lord Jesus. This is why only a small percentage of folks baptized stick beyond one year or beyond.