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Forum: Fellowship Hall Today, 04:53 PM
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Re: Logos Doctrine And The UPC

Do I separate the Logos from God? No more than the Apostle John did.

John 1:1-2

In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God. The same was in the beginning with...
Forum: Fellowship Hall Today, 09:46 AM
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Re: Most complex explanation of the Godhead ever!

The best I can tell you is he made all things for himself. He has a purpose for everything. So since the context of Heb. 1:1-3 doesnt tell us WHY he made the ages or worlds I cant tell you except...
Forum: Fellowship Hall Today, 08:43 AM
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Views: 1,024
Re: Logos Doctrine And The UPC

The LXX original contained only the first 5 books. The Masorite text didnt just pop up out of the blue a thousand years after the LXX.

The text itself obviously predated the Masorites who came...
Forum: Fellowship Hall Today, 08:22 AM
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Views: 1,024
Re: Logos Doctrine And The UPC

There was one theophany. The angel of the Lord.

There were of course millions of angels. They were not God appearing to men. They were angels like Michael and Gabriel.

The Logos-Angel of YHWH:...
Forum: Fellowship Hall Today, 06:11 AM
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Views: 1,024
Re: Logos Doctrine And The UPC

I recall once seeing an LXX version that contained all of whats in the Masorite text PLUS the Angel Of Great Counsel I'm pretty sure.

Since then I have not seen a version that read that way. I do...
Forum: Fellowship Hall Today, 05:45 AM
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Views: 8,355
Re: Most complex explanation of the Godhead ever!

Interesting Dom. You and I both scanning this particular thread at exactly the same time last night.

Lets look at a few other Bible versions.

New International Version
but in these last days...
Forum: Fellowship Hall Today, 05:25 AM
Replies: 93
Views: 1,024
Re: Logos Doctrine And The UPC

I saw more zeal and gifts of the Spirit among the Jesus Movement than I have among the modern Apostolics. I really hate that in a way. I am a Oneness Pentecostal myself.

But I cannot but say what...
Forum: Fellowship Hall Today, 05:13 AM
Replies: 93
Views: 1,024
Re: Logos Doctrine And The UPC

Dom,

Their doctrine is not the Apostles doctrine nor mine. Where I agree with them in a doctrine I am not ashamed to say so. For example they teach best I can tell the doctrine that men actually...
Forum: Fellowship Hall Yesterday, 10:41 PM
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Re: Logos Doctrine And The UPC

Dom, No need to start making things up. If Jehovah Witness agree with my doctrine that Jesus is the Everlasting Father, The begotten Son, and the Holy Ghost I would certainly claim them as Oneness.
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Forum: Fellowship Hall Yesterday, 10:36 PM
Replies: 93
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Re: Logos Doctrine And The UPC

So is the Messiah the Angel Of The Lord?

The Angel Of Great Counsel?
Forum: Fellowship Hall Yesterday, 08:15 PM
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Re: Logos Doctrine And The UPC

Do JW believe that the Logos was Jehovah? No they do not.

Do Oneness who believe God had a spiritual form-body in the OT believe the Logos was Jehovah?

Yes they do.:highfive
Forum: Fellowship Hall Yesterday, 08:09 PM
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Re: Logos Doctrine And The UPC

Consider this. In the Septuigent LXX Greek Old Testament Isaiah 9:6 is very different than the Hebrew. There are those who think it is the original and inspired Bible.

In the LXX online version...
Forum: Fellowship Hall Yesterday, 03:22 PM
Replies: 93
Views: 1,024
Re: Logos Doctrine And The UPC

Can you please elaborate on what you said? God already had a form or a likeness? Apparently you do not agree with the mind-thought theory. Or do you?

What DO you believe.

I would love to hear...
Forum: Fellowship Hall Yesterday, 03:08 PM
Replies: 93
Views: 1,024
Re: Logos Doctrine And The UPC

Why did Paul teach the Son made the ages? Well I got that from Paul the Apostle. He was teaching it. So I believed it. He does not go into any deeper explanation. He says God made the worlds or ages...
Forum: Fellowship Hall Yesterday, 02:51 PM
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Re: Logos Doctrine And The UPC

In the Old Testament the Angel Of the Lord WAS GOD.


Its the same as saying the Logos WAS GOD.

When Jesus claimed to be the I AM he was claiming to be the Angel Of The Lord.

Exodus 3:1-6
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Forum: Fellowship Hall Yesterday, 01:57 PM
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Re: Logos Doctrine And The UPC

Why do we need an explanation for that?

The Son died.

And then is there something wrong with the way Paul uses "Son" here?

Heb. 1:1-2

1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake...
Forum: Fellowship Hall Yesterday, 05:39 AM
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Re: Logos Doctrine And The UPC

Thats funny, Paul never said that.

He said this:

Heb. 1:1-3

1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2Hath in these last days...
Forum: Fellowship Hall 10-11-2019, 09:36 PM
Replies: 93
Views: 1,024
Re: Logos Doctrine And The UPC

Does this group belong to a Oneness org? The UPC? PAW? Church Of Our Lord Jesus Christ? Assemblies Of The Lord Jesus Christ?

If they believe in 2 Gods they would not attach themselves to one of...
Forum: Fellowship Hall 10-11-2019, 09:05 PM
Replies: 93
Views: 1,024
Re: Logos Doctrine And The UPC

So we are supposed to just accept whatever anyone says with no references?

Whatever someone says is a fact? You dont operate on that premise.

If there were those out there believing in 2 Gods...
Forum: Fellowship Hall 10-11-2019, 08:58 PM
Replies: 93
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Re: Logos Doctrine And The UPC

Part 3


Part 3

14And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

Who said this?...
Forum: Fellowship Hall 10-11-2019, 08:56 PM
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Re: Logos Doctrine And The UPC

Part 2

Part 2

Now we will see Paul teaching the same thing to the Colossians.

Col. 1:13-17
Quote:
13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the...
Forum: Fellowship Hall 10-11-2019, 08:54 PM
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Forum: Fellowship Hall 10-11-2019, 08:36 PM
Replies: 93
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Re: Logos Doctrine And The UPC

There was God and his image. The image in which he made angels and men. The image- form was God himself in visible manifestation.

The form was made flesh. Jesus of Nazarath.

God manifest in...
Forum: Fellowship Hall 10-11-2019, 08:23 PM
Replies: 93
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Re: Logos Doctrine And The UPC

No names are given because there are none.

So someone is allowed to tell lies about "midwesterners" and get by with it? And one must simply swallow whatever they are told?
Forum: Fellowship Hall 10-11-2019, 06:23 PM
Replies: 93
Views: 1,024
Re: Logos Doctrine And The UPC

Yea I know. There are no Oneness who teach 2 Gods.
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