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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
While they shout grace they really believe works save folks. Grace is found in obeying the gospel message that cleanses the soul of man by His blood. Libs think being a 'good' person, being religious, being a family member, giving to charities, whatever saves. NOT the message preached and obeyed.
Their first argument is so and so did so and so and you think they are lost. So their works or being family saves them not the gospel.
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I was writing an article on this and still need to change it, but to be honest most westerners believe in works to some degree or another I think and is a prime reason why we don't experience greater miracles. Westerners are full of pride and hate to be told what to do and how to do it. They'd rather do things their own way so they can feel some pride in accomplishments. That is why so many churchs spring up that focus more on gaining knowledge and not so much on prayer and waiting on God and fasting etc etc.
I think most humans are by nature wanting to rely on themselves and want to have a relationship with God on their own terms, or at least believe they are having a relationship with God when in reality all they are doing is learning more facts