Shaggy, I am not sure if I did not read this post, or just did not have time to respond...
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Just to throw a little more in the mix.....in the following, who is considered the underlined "HE" that they did not know, Jesus or only the Father?, or both?
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I would say the person of God. Or even the Father as revealed by Jesus Christ.
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1 Jn. 3:1 Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. 2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. 3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.
(We know Jesus was in the world....and the world knew Him not -Jn.1:10, yet Jesus addressed the people a few times, saying they also didnt know the Father-Jn. 16:3.....)
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Great confirmation of the deity of Christ.
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Also, in reading Jn. 16, I found it interesting....Jesus said there would come a time when He would tell plainly of the Father..
#1 When did that time come, and what did He "tell plainly"?
And in the very next verse, Jesus says in that day, you will ask in my name.
#2 Why did Jesus go on to say in that day, you will ask in my name?
I feel its probably relative to the apostles answering Matt. 28:19, with Jesus name baptism thruout the book of Acts. And also possibly relative to the verse that was posted early-on, about "no one knows the Father, except the Son, and whosoever the Son reveals Him to.." |
Jesus name baptism was commonplace when Christ was on Earth, so I don't see any kind of revelation or fulfillment in Acts regarding baptism in his name.
Perhaps it's speaking of the coming of the Holy Spirit - when God would be IN them speaking directly to the inner man.
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Jn. 16:25 “These things I have spoken to you in figurative language; but the time is coming when I will no longer speak to you in figurative language, but I will tell you plainly about the Father. 26 In that day you will ask in My name, and I do not say to you that I shall pray the Father for you
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When Christ was on Earth He tended to physically mediate the needs to the Father. Perhaps this is saying we will no longer seek Him (Jesus) out, and ask Him to go to the Father on our behalf... As Spirit filled believers we can go to the Father "In Jesus Name".