[OGIA]

Originally Posted by Iron_Bladder

So Ogia how would you explain the double use of the pronoun “us” at Acts 1:22?: "Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be a ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection." (Acts 1:22, KJV). Because this pronoun ‘us’ which is here used twice cannot possibly refer to the 120 disciples who’re mentioned seven verses earlier (Acts 1:15), because ‘us’ implies specifically the 11 apostles who were choosing another man (Acts 1:21) to join the office of the 12 apostles, and yet the company of 120 comprised both men and also women. The specific use of the word ‘men’ in the plural at Acts 1:21, negates the possibility that women were active in replacing Judas.

I don't see what a "double use" of the pronoun changes? Peter NEVER stops addressing the 120 once he begins speaking in v15. Unless you can show this, then the "they" all the way through Acts 2:4 refers to the 120.

This is why at Acts 1:20 (KJV) we read; “For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.” The NIV here reads; ‘May another take his place of leadership.’ Now this emphasis upon leadership must imply the leadership of the 12 apostles within the Church, and it’s a fatuous argument to reason as you have Ogia that every one of the 120 men and women were also leaders in the Church together with the 12 apostles, for the 120 wern't leaders; some were women who wern't allowed to hold leadership in the Church.

I'm not sure what you're point is? No, I'm not saying that all 120 were in leadership, but does that preclude them from "praying...and casting lots"? Plus, even if the women didn't vote, the men certainly numbered more than 11.

And because no women ever had a place of leadership in the Church, men were here choosing another man to replace Judas.

Again, even if it were only men "voting", there were still more than 11.