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Originally Posted by Aquila

So you admit that there is a spiritual reality all around us?

Did I say otherwise?

If so... wouldn't it stand to reason that there is a spiritual reality extending throughout both the first and second heavens as you described them?

Yup

I'd not describe the third heaven a "spiritual heaven". I'd describe it as the a place wherein one might encounter the manifest presence of God.

Christians go there when they die,
feel free to call it whatever you want.