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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
I grew up in the Ozarks and now live in Central Illinois. I have never met a UPC pastor that would agree to what you all are saying. Never.
There should be no tolerance for variance on the New Birth message. How could their be? I mean, we are talking apples and oranges here.
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But the facts are the facts and there has always been variance on when "new birth" takes place. But repentance, baptism in Jesus name have been preached as essentials and so was the baptism of the Holy GHost with tongues evidence. It was preached very strongly to me. And we've always placed the "essental" emphasis on it to the point where we had very few in any church we pastored who hadn't received the Holy Ghost (baptism) and spoke in tongues.
Sometimes pastors won't share with one another what they really think and belief because of the "peer pressure" factor and the fact that they don't want to given themselves away in that regard.
I acknowledge the fact that most in the UPC state the new birth position in the PAJC format. We were part of the UPC as far as ministerial license for 25 years and never had any problem with exception being taken with what we taught, preached and exemplified in regard to doctrine or the AoF either.