[Esaias]

Once again, history repeats itself. I have said many times that we are repeating the history of the original great apostacy which gave rise to catholicism.

In the early church teachers arose who slowly began modifying the monotheism of the apostles into a more "philosophical" theology that ended in trinitarianism, and it began with "Jesus is not the Father".

Today? Same thing. OPs trying to be theologically "edumacated" are now claiming Jesus is not the Father. Just a matter of time before they wind up in trinity-ville.

The early apostates like Ignatius began teaching an extreme hierarchical clericalism, so that no church or worship existed apart from the bishop. End result? Priests and popes, penance indulgences and confession, persecution of heretics etc.

Today we have OPs claiming you can't be saved unless you have a pastor to dictate to you whether you should have a beard or tell you how long your sleeves must be.

Early apostates introduced the catechumenate, requiring lengthy pre-baptismal classes and instruction. Ending in baptisms only done once a year and no evangelistic urgency, baptism became a spectacle of pomp and ceremony, and true conversions ended.

Today? Baptisms only on Sunday... maybe only once a month... a spectacle where friends and family can enjoy the pomp. I mean what's important, washing away your sins? Or having a good social time for family? What a dishonour to the importance of baptism! Why not wait for family to be there to see you get the Holy Ghost too?

We're repeating history.