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Brother, you should read the whole thread.
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The whole Thread????? I don't have time to read over a thousand posts.
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All your arguments are just wrong. For instance, post one single record, only one, of labor, fishermen, or mining workers paying tithing under the law. Or one single record of the Israelites in the wilderness paying tithes (wasn’t universal?), or one single record of the early church in the Bible or outside the Bible (early writings) paying tithes of their salaries.
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I'm sorry I can't see where Moses ever gave a percentage of his salary. lol. I never said we are under mosaic law to tithe and we are cursed if we do not. I said that Christians should tithe. Old Testament Jews upkept the tabernacle and the priesthood by tithing and it is a good example for us in mantaining our churches and the ministries that God has ordained. People are becoming more against any church orthodoxy. There is a trend of renegade saints that can't find any church's holy enough for them to be committed. I have been taught from scripture that we need one another "shall the hand say to the foot I have no need of thee etc......"
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Instead I can show you tons of verses in the NT about giving and sharing your wealth with the weak and the ministry among us, and all voluntary and with a cheerful heart.
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Yes I agree, but giving has to be intentional. I am for Spirit led giving 100%, but I find that most people who don't make commitments within themselves to God never follow through. If you want to sell all like the early church saints and give to the poor go right on ahead. I find for most people that is more talk than action. I am not speaking to you personally, you may be a genuine person who generously help all those in need around you, but most aren't.
Our church has spent much out of its budget feeding bus kids who come to church hungry because of parents that don't care, and that is made possible because of committed givers. It is not people that just give when they feel the Spirit leading them to give. Electric bills, shelter from the rain, sunday school materials, ministry, bus ministries, etc...., cannot operate without budgets and budgets cannot be forecasted if noone has a commitment in giving.
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If the Bible doesn’t teach it, why do you want to burden the saints with it? Pastors pressure the saints with the “give 10% of the gross, even if you can’t, by faith”, but instead they should embrace the truth whatever consequences it may be. Maybe they are the ones that because of the lack of faith don’t want to listen to the truth.
Let’s not start this discussion again
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The Bible does teach tithing, it just doesn't mandate it for the NT Church. I don't pretend that it does. I simply explain the effectiveness of how it works and why would you not want to do something that works. If someone is in a predicament where it is there rent or utilities getting paid or their tithes, I would never shun them or try to make them feel like they have sinned. I have had to make those choices before myself. That is where the church should try to help back.
If ten percent is viewed as heavy burden then don't do it. Our church would still make you feel welcome. Tithing has created resources for many ministries and I am sorry if you feel like it is so sinfull. I understand that it may have beem missrepresented by some who preach, but most are probably genuine with their understanding. Tithing has been pattern of giving that has been proven to work for thousands of years. If anyone disagrees with it I tell them they don't have to limit themselves to it. I don't think it is a cap on our giving, but it is a good place to start.
PS why not start this discussion again? I am not trying to irritate you.
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