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Originally Posted by good samaritan
Luke 5:20
And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee.
Jesus went about forgiving sins without any sacraments. Freely forgave with only one condition. Faith!!! We receive forgiveness upon putting our faith in Jesus and his sacrifice. True faith and repentance goes hand in hand.
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How does this verse teach a distinction between forgiveness and remission?
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Romans 4:3
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
God has not changed his methods, they have been the same from the beginning. We must put our faith in God to become his children.
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How does this verse teach a distinction between forgiveness and remission?
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Hebrews 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
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How does this verse teach a distinction between forgiveness and remission?
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Now in regarding the sacraments of baptism.
Acts 2:37
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
After believing the word, the believers response was immediate. They where pricked in their hearts (convicted) and asked what they must do?
True faith is going to be followed by immediate obedience. Faith that does not result in repentance, is not faith.
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How does this verse teach sins are forgiven prior to baptism?
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James 2:26
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Repentance and baptism are the response to our faith. Yeeesssss, they are necessary!!! It is not my intent at all, to devalue our downplay the necessity of water baptism. Faith requires obedience to the gospel of Jesus Christ.
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How does this verse teach sins are forgiven prior to baptism?
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Matthew 28:18-20
18......And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19......Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20......Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Jesus said to spread this message to all nations and to baptize them in His name. That is exactly what Peter did.
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How does this verse teach sins are forgiven prior to baptism?
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Acts 2:38-39
38......Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39......For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Baptism is part of the obedience that is necessary of our Faith.
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How does this verse teach sins are forgiven prior to baptism?
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The question: is it the sacrament itself that works unto salvation or is it our faith. May persuasion is that it is our faith.
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That is not the question in this discussion. It is rather "Where does the Bible teach a distinction between forgiveness and remission, and Where does the Bible teach sins are forgiven prior to baptism?
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I personally believe baptism was instituted more for our benefit than for anything else.
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Yes, because it is the mechanism in which God washes away our sins through faith in Christ, because it is in baptism that we identify with His death and resurrection. Baptism is the means by which we exercise faith in His atonement and identify Him as our substitute, it is how we "trust in Jesus".
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1 Peter 3:21
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Baptism is symbolic of the spiritual work that God is doing. Therefore we must obey, but the act of forgiveness and remission is entirely up to God. We don’t force forgiveness by sacraments. We receive forgiveness by faith that is proven by the works that follow.
James 2:18
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
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Faith in Jesus to be pardoned is dead without baptism into His name. I think you inadvertently made my case for me.
In any event, I do not see where you even addressed the alleged Biblical differences between forgiveness and remission, nor do I see where you showed Christian conversions in which people were forgiven before being baptized.