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Originally Posted by Esaias
Then you agree baptism is for the forgiveness of sins? So please explain how Acts 2:38, specifically "baptized for the remission of sins", fits into your doctrine that a person is forgiven apart from baptism. |
Apart from baptism? Find anywhere that I said you don’t have to be baptized? I haven’t. My whole point has been forgiveness is Gods business and he sees the heart of the person in question. Baptism is not a substitute for repentance, but it will follow after it.
How many times have you seen people baptized with water, but never receive the Spirit?
If they obey
Acts 2:38 “they shall” right?
Maybe it is just me, but I have seen as many receive the Holly Ghost before baptism as afterwards. Also I have seen many that have been baptized that never received the Holy Ghost at all.
All I have been saying is that salvation/forgiveness/remission is received by grace through faith
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Baptism is the result of that faith and not the cause.
Baptism without faith and repentance is just getting wet. Yet, faith and repentance will produce baptism, along with much other fruit.