[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by donfriesen1

Dom again, does not aim at disproving my Ro14 conclusions.

Don, I already disproved your idea of what Romans 14 is saying. You believe YOU are weaker brother, because you hold the 3rd view of head-coverings, outside of Pastor Doe's view, and the UPCI view. So, Pastor Doe is a strong brother? You are the weaker brother? But Pastor Doe is supposed to hand over the pulpit to you? Sorry, but in the real world that's not happening. In your world of make believe you see yourself as an ecclesiastical Gandalf, and every other minister as a Hobbit. Romans 14 is speaking of elder brethren not arguing about differences with NEW CONVERTS. To allow the NEW CONVERTS to grow, and not be discouraged. This doesn't fit your case. Sorry, but no matter how many long and lengthy posts to bang out you are still wrong.

Originally Posted by donfriesen1

Dom below, mostly avoids commenting on the main reason for this thread.

Oh, but I have, you just didn't like my answer. But that's just too bad. Deal with it.

Originally Posted by donfriesen1

Perhaps Dom is calling me a trouble maker, making this to be in line with his opening tone.

Don, at this point I don't even believe you are currently in a church. You are your own worst enemy. But, as I posted before, if we have something to say that is a proper way to be heard. If the leadership of the congregation doesn't want to hear it, then you are kicking a dead horse. So, to keep trying to instigate a parley when the leadership refuses to deal with you doesn't help further your case. You are actually becoming a nuisance, also known as a troublemaker. Therefore being a pain in someone's side isn't winning any friends, and inevitably destroying any chance of being heard. But, obviously you don't care. Because you are ecclesiastically delusional. So, even if Paul preached and David played his harp you still want to have the preeminence.

Originally Posted by donfriesen1

And what of those who earnestly contend for the faith? Are they trouble makers by your definition, Dom?

What of those who earnestly contend for the faith? Jude was dealing with an attack from outside the Body of Christ. Individuals coming into the congregation trying to teach Antinomianism! But I already posted all that! But you are too blinded by your religious self importance, to even addressed what I posted already. If we are to apply you to the writer of Jude, you would be labeled as the one the saints are to contend against.

Originally Posted by donfriesen1

Or instead, are they trying to be obedient to the Word?

Either you are a raving mad, or just trolling the forum. Have you ever been leadership in a congregation? Would you allow someone to claim that they were being obedient to the Word, if you knew beyond a shadow of doubt that they were scripturally incorrect? Take for instance if a brother believed, and taught that Mary the mother of Jesus was a "Co-Redemptrix" concerning soteriology? Would you allow it to propagate through your church family? Saying that the brother was covered by Romans 14? Would you classify him as contending for the faith? Being obedient to the Word? I'm going back to my original thoughts concerning you. You are all alone buddy, you and Pastor Doe parted ways long long ago.

Originally Posted by donfriesen1

A trouble maker is one from the heart. It is their nature to do so, regardless of the time or circumstance. Wherever they go, it will come through to the surface because that is what they are.

Are you describing yourself Don? Don, the above is you. In your heart you are the gatekeeper. You are totally convinced that you are the head of the body. So, if you show up in a congregation right away the first thing you see isn't all the nice people ready to welcome you. You see everything YOU need to correct. The elders and the pastor no matter how long they've been chopping wood in that church, have been doing it wrong. Yet, they may be wrong, but you know what Don? You're not the one who can correct them. Because you aren't a good listener. How many times have I posted an answer to your questions concerning Romans and Jude? Therefore you and the preacher both have been doing it wrong, yet you will accomplish absolutely zero. Then inevitably they will give you the left boot of fellowship right in your back pockets out the door. Why? Because they were there first. That's their building, their platform, their pews, and their pulpit. Ground control to Major Tom? You will be contending for the faith far far away from that church family. You can only blame yourself.

Originally Posted by donfriesen1

What does Dom have as a definition of trouble maker? Do you Dom describe Jude as one instigating trouble?

Don, you aren't Jude.

Originally Posted by donfriesen1

What kind of attitude are you propagating here, when saying 'Pastor Doe does not need B Smith.' ? This attitude sucks, Dom.

No, the attitude is proper. Because it wasn't Pastor Doe who bounced B. Smith out on his head. It was B. Smith. He was the one who came out of left field, wanting to have a word-serving position. The Bible states in Proverbs 18:16 your gift will make room for you. Therefore if you have the message everyone will know. My boy, you certainly don't have the message. Not by a long shot. Therefore Pastor Doe, and the elders don't have to leave the rest of the flock to babysit some self aggrandizing individual, who sees what he believes as the most important.

Originally Posted by donfriesen1

The message I hear from most pulpits is that everyone in the church is invaluable.

Then maybe you shouldn't of left those pulpits? All saints are precious in God's sight. Sadly, not everyone is a saint. Some are satans. Individuals who have no patience, who see themselves as God's gift to the Church, and that everyone should be listening to them. When they sit in the pew, their only thought is that if they were in the pulpit then the sheep would really be fed.
Jesus has His own timing but the big mistake is that some individuals couldn't care less what the Holy Ghost wants to do.

Originally Posted by donfriesen1

Dom, you are in effect cutting Ro14 out of the Bible.

You see pal, here is your big problem. You accuse me of disregarding the Bible? This is what you probably had done with Pastor John Doe. Yet, we aren't disregarding the Bible. I'm not, I already posted what Romans 14 meant. I believe I even repeated myself. I'm not cutting out anything but what you think Romans and Jude applies to. That's what you can't get through your thick head. But, that is something you may never ever remedy.

Originally Posted by donfriesen1

Instead of defending its correct conclusions and applying its teaching to Pastor Doe, you support Pastor Doe's non-Biblical actions by wishing B. Smith out the church.

Oh, so you were tossed out on your back pockets. OK. You are free, and he is free. A win win. But, sadly you haven't gotten over it. Defending the conclusion as Don sees the verses? That's your problem buddy, it's all about how you see it. You and Pastor John Doe must've had some hair pulling contest. A typical gladiator Bible study, filled with interruptions galore! But, you can't see where you missed it? Don, my only experience with you is here, your only experience with me is here. My personal opinion is that the congregation wasn't big enough for both of you hombres to be behind the pulpit. You couldn't get the guy to see your vision of you being in a word-serving position. Again, this issue wasn't about Romans 14. No way, absolutely no way. It was about you.

Originally Posted by donfriesen1

Where is your Apostolic love for Biblical Truth?

Don, don't flatter yourself. I hardly see you as Apostolic, let alone believe you love Biblical Truth. You just love Don, and what comes out of Don. Let's leave it at that.


I'm getting bored dealing with your lengthy posts. So, I'll leave it here. Maybe I'll come back and finish the rest of your post. But, since I started this discussion with you I find you as well as myself repeating the same things. Which from reading everything you have ever posted, that is what you do. Don, you have no friends, you have no fellowship, for that I'm truly sorry. I'll pray for you. I hope you snap out of it. I really do. We are absolutely nothing and when we are dead people will forget we even existed. Jesus Christ is the only one we need to be focused on. Not a word-serving position, a pulpit, a platform, or a building. Whatever happened to you wasn't the pastor's fault, wasn't the organization's fault. It is only us, we do it to ourselves. I can't blame the butcher, the baker, or the candlestick maker. If you are in a congregation it is what it is, someone else started it, someone else is paying the light bills, and someone else is holding the keys to the front office. If you get an epiphany then hope to Jesus it's in the book. But even if it is in the book, everyone else just might not believe it. Lot's of good men have lost out beating their head against a wall, trying to get everyone on board with their revelation.

I'll end with this, the Jesus name movement was started by men who saw Jesus name baptism in the Bible. Not everyone wanted to believe it, most Trinitarian pastors tossed the Jesus name ministers out of their churches.
They didn't go wee wee wee all the way home. They got to work, and they didn't look back.