[votivesoul]

It is my experience that Trinititarians are far better versed in their Theology than Oneness adherents.

Further, it is also my experience that Oneness adherents, when attempting to discuss or explain Trinitarian Theology, do a shoddy job of it, like you're doing here.

He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Seems clear to me that Jesus was claiming to be the Father, that he was the Father. The NT says Jesus created the world, making him the Father, right?

Don, have you ever seen Jesus? No? Then you haven't seen the Father.

John 14:9 uses a metaphorical use of the word "seen".

See: https://biblehub.com/greek/3708.htm

It means to experience or perceive. Experiencing or perceiving Jesus correctly means automatically experiencing or perceiving the Father. Hebrews 1:3 explains the mechanics of this:

Hebrews 1:3 (ESV),

He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high...

And as for Jesus creating the world, that isn't correct. The Father created all things through the Logos, in view of Christ.

John 1:1-3 (ESV),

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

The word "through" is δι’ - di'. It means "A primary preposition denoting the channel of an act; through"

See: https://biblehub.com/greek/1223.htm

Colossians 1:15-16 (ESV),

15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.

Here, "by" is the Greek word ἐν - en, and it means "A primary preposition denoting (fixed) position". In other words, it means "in".

See: https://biblehub.com/greek/1722.htm

As for "through", it's the same preposition used in John 1:3 referenced above.

Christ is the lens, if you will, in which God the Father foresaw the world, and the instrument through which God the Father made that world a reality by bringing it into being through the Logos.

Oneness people believe Jesus is Father and Son and Spirit. But if we are speaking about God manifesting himself, then we should not be surprised to realize he has manifested himself in many ways, not limited to these 3.

Rather, Oneness believe the Father, Son, and Spirit are Jesus. It's an important distinction.

Hey Dom, if Jesus is I AM and I Am Is Jehovah, does that mean Jesus is the Father when it was Jehovah who created the world? What does Father mean but "originator"?[/SIZE][/COLOR]

Hey, Don, why are you calling out to Brother Benincasa in your response to me?