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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Thats what I meant about OVER RULING nations. Of course our prayers can affect the nations. That is not the same as RULING THEM.

Why not? A spiritual dominion is just that! Brother, Jesus is over EVERY NAME THAT CAN EVER BE NAMED. And we are seated with him in that position. You can only say we are NOT OVER EVERY NAME if you insist on your doctrine.

When Paul said this:

1: Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
2: Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3: Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
4: If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
5: I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
6: But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers. 1 Cor. 6:1-6

He was speaking FUTURE TENSE. The Saints here have trouble settling disputes among themselves. But those WHO OVERCOME and are counted worthy of eternal life will JUDGE THE WORLD.

Sure. JUDGMENT is judgment. I believe we shall take part in the great white throne judgment IN THE ASPECT OF WHEN THE SINNERS AND WORLD ARE JUDGED. Its not the Great White throne rulership, but judgment.

There is a big difference in being JUDGES over nations of people than praying for their overthrow. Or that some event may take place. In that future world to come we will judge angels!

Yes and I believe that deals with participation in the great white throne judgment. It's the same spirit of thought that Jesus mentioned when he spoke of raising up Ninevah to judge those who could not walk across the street to hear Jesus, and Ninevah heeded Jonah when a greater than Jonah came to the Jews.

Fallen Angels will be judged at this point, too.

The passages you cite NEVER EXPLICITLY STATE when that judgment will occur. YOU CAN ASSUME it is some millennium, but WHY DID THE SAME PASSAGES NOT TEACH YOUR MILLENNIUM IN DETAIL?

What nations pray tell were ruled by the revival Preachers? Can you name one? What nation in their day was even walking in Acts 2:38 truth let alone the "be ye perfect" command of Yeshua?

I already told you we do it through prayer and faith. You never answered me concerning how Hebrews 11 says that saints of old subdued KINGDOMS, and yet today WE CANNOT DO THAT, as though we HAVE LESS than they did in the Old Testament.

Please respond. I am answering your questions. How come you do not answer mine?