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Originally Posted by pelathais
As mayor of New York Giuliani did "live through" the attacks. From more than 2000 miles away I felt that I had "lived through" the attacks. Giuliani was in a NYC Fire Department onsite command center on West Street when the towers collapsed. He had to escape the collapse of Tower One (the second tower to fall) through an underground pedestrian passage way with a Fire Chief and others.
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Yes, I saw the movie too! It's not the same thing. The command center was not really "on site" because it was a short distance away from the site itself.
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What I find disingenuous about RP here is the way he says "we've been bombing Iraq for 10 years" (prior to the 2003 invasion). That statement alone is tantamount to a lie. It is intentionally worded in such a way as to create a false impression of the US mission after the first Gulf War.
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Oh, please! We had planes flying over Iraq for those 10 years and sometimes they did engage when fired upon. So he engaged in a little hyperbole - Giuliani did more than his share of that, including in his claim to have been a survivor of 9/11.
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The US "bombings" (usually just small HARM missiles that follow a radar signal to its source) were counter measures to suppress tracking radar and were used only when an individual coalition aircraft had been actively "locked on." It was always self defense on the part of the coalition pilots. To go out of your way and try to paint it as US aggression the way Ron Paul does is treasonous to the pilots whose lives were on the line. How do you think those pilots would feel about having RP as CINC?
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The point of the matter is that we were over Iraqi airspace where we had no business being. I don't care if it was part of a cease fire agreement imposed on Sadaam Hussein, we had no business over there.
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And remember, those pilots were risking their lives under the direct authorization of the UN, NATO, the EU as well as their US commanders. Even the Arab League had backed the cease-fire agreements from 1992, authorizing those pilots to do the fly-overs and to defend themselves when necessary.
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I'm well aware of that - I was in the Gulf War! It's not relevant because, again, the United States had no business being over there.
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Who but an enemy of the United States would make a declaration like Ron Paul did? I'm sorry, but Ron Paul puts himself into the same camp as the Ward Churchills' and C. Clark Kissingers' of the world.
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That you made such a remark shows you didn't really pay attention to what he said and most definitely didn't pay attention to the context of his statement.
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I don't know that I would vote for Rudy, but I know that he was at least on our side on September 11. I'm not so sure about whose side Ron Paul is on.
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Ron Paul is on the side of THE CONSTITUTION! Only
enemies of the United States would not be on the side of the Constitution.