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Originally Posted by Timmy
Let me see if I understand, now. Every Egyptian family was evil. Besides the taskmasters, there were farmers, merchants, tradesmen, artists, servants, teachers, etc. Mothers and fathers, and their children. All wicked. All deserved the boils, the lice, etc. And all deserved to find their oldest children dead in their beds. OK.
And none of that would have happened if their king had just let Moses' people go to make sacrifices in the wilderness, three days' journey. (BTW, is lying not wicked? Oh, not when God tells you to lie. OK.) And he would have let them go, if God had not interfered. Pharaoh would have done the right thing, but God made him do evil. God made Pharaoh do evil! So that He could perform these wonders. So they would know that He was God. So He could punish the wicked Egyptians. OK.
Do I get it, now?
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They worshiped and served false gods. They did not regard the one True God that created them.
BTW the idea of lying and not telling the truth with God is also found in
Mal 3 where it says God can not change. Trinitarians try to use this erroneously to show that God can't become the Son (as in modalism)...though that is shooting themselves in the foot since they teach God became a man.
This verse is NOT meant to mean God can't change like that. It's talking about His promises. God promises something and does NOT go back on it. If God says something, what He says is the truth. When God promises something....whatever HE promised was not a deception.
So how did God lie?
BTW how do you know Pharoah would have let them go? How do you know Pharoah would have done the right thing? God can not make anyone do good or evil. All God can do is something external to us and we react to it. Our reaction is of our own volition. Pharoah COULD have let the people go regardless. What did God do? GOd did not change Pharoah's person...He did not control Pharoah the person. HE controlled His creation and Pharoah reacted.
God did not make you or I be saved....Instead God did things that we reacted to in the right eway....others reject God despite what good HE does for them. But if God could make everyone do good or evil then everyone would be saved right now. We would all be as Holy as He is, for God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. God can't FORCE us to do anything. He can't make us believe or not. He can't make us be righteous or not. That is our choice. But He can try to influence us externally