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Originally Posted by Joelel
Do you really have faith that saves you ? Faith comes from hearing the word.Does hearing things that is not true give you faith ? You must have the truth of the word to be saved.The truth gives faith and we are saved by faith,so we must have truth.
Rom.10:[17] So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God
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(Please read this all the way through... it will seem that I am disagreeing with you but if you will read it through you will see that this is not necessarily the case)
Actually... yes sir.. faith does come by hearing things that are not true.
i taught on the armor of God a few weeks ago and when speaking of the shield of faith I brought out where faith is a conviction that something is true.
Have you ever tried to teach someone something different than they have been taught all their life? Have you ever seen them demonstrate an ability to keep speaking in total confidence in the face of scripture full in the face of what they are saying?
That is their shield of faith. They are blocking your arguements with pure conviction that what they have been told is true.
One can have faith in something that is not true just as much as they can have faith in something that is true. And they will use that faith as a shield against truth from time to time.
Now... is faith in a doctrine that is not true a saving faith. Of course not. Never.
But it is belief that gives faith. Whether that belief is based on truth or lies is another subject entirely. I have spent a good portion of time working my way around the shield of faith that people possessed which was built on untruths.
Also... I have found that fighting them only makes them hold onto their shield tighter. I have only been successful when I have allowed them to show me their shield. As they tell me about their shield I make mention from time to time of my shield. Often times... they begin to get intersted in my shield. Since I am not attacking them they put theirs down to take a closer look at mine.
Quite often I am able to sell them on my shield and they are thankful for it and happy to discard their old shield for a new & improved model.
I guess this is where my shield of belief in the scripture that tells us to be as wise as serpents and harmless as doves come in.
One last note... for those who are parents, pastors etc... If you teach them that we don't do this and we don't do that... then all you have accomplished is putting a shield in their hands (which is necessary and important).
It is when you take them to the book and you teach them why. It is when you open the word and give them the revelation rather that just the rules... it is then that they possess both a sword and a shield. Until the sword is given the best they can do is cower in a corner with their shield hoping to live through the attack.