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Originally Posted by Ferd
well, the mounting evidence against Barry Bonds is staggering. leaked Grand Jury testamony that was written in a book was massivly dammaging. his name all over BALCO documents was increminating way beyond one convicts testamony. Personally I didnt believe any of the hearsay, but when hard evidence was brought....well that kind of changes things... kind of like Barrys cap size has changed.
Vicks problem was he was dead guilty and the evidence wasnt one person ratting him out, it was hard evidence...then he pled guilty.... that kind of seals the deal... but it was the hard evidence that got him.. and led me to believe in his guilt.
As for as Jones is concerned. I BELIEVED HER right up to the day when she came out and pled guilty and stated she did it.....'
so, i guess you dont really have a point TRF.....
Personally where Roger is concerned, I think the jury is still out and everyone should be holding judgment. No free pass, No calls for his head. there is one single guy who was told he would go to jail if he didn't provide names, who provided Rogers name. period. nothing more.
Now we have law suits and such. I suspect the truth will come out on this. then we will know.
I just wont hang him until there is some hard evidence. (just like i did with bonds)
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(I don't think you even understand the point I was making)
Just because
you don't agree with my point doesn't mean I don't have a point. My point is that at this point in time after the initial allegations went public in those other cases (i.e. a few short weeks after the initial allegations and/or evidence) the general mood, as far as public sentiment, was one of disbelief and skepticism toward Bonds, Vick, Jones...and Pete Rose, for good measure. I'm a sports fan and remember these episodes very well. There was no groundswell of "
I believe 'em. They might actually be innocent.", like we see for Clemens now.
Second, no one is asking at what point YOU believed Marion Jones, etc.
You keep referring to when YOU believed Vic, Jones, Bonds were guilty. This post is not about what Ferd believes in particular. I'm referring to what seems to be public sentiment in general. So its silly to say I don't have a point just because YOU believed Marion Jones when she pleaded guilty. The fact is, the sportswriter community and the fan base were very skeptical of her from the very beginning, as they were with Vick long before he pleaded to anything, and of Rose once the initial allegations surfaced, even when the evidence was still just circumstantial at first.
Nobody's asking you to hang him. If you choose to believe Roger, that's fine. This is a he said/he said case, so in the end, it will probably end up being a stalemate. People will come to their conclusions based on whatever testimony and evidence is out there. But your assertion that I don't have a point just because of of your personal perspective on these incidents is not valid at all.
have a good day, Mr Ferd